Furk's Proposed Cycle & Log

Prop works fast, 2 weeks and you will notice increased libido, strength and good pumps.

Hey guys, thanks for steering me in the right direction. Decided on:
Prop 420mg/week, week 1 – 8, pinning E3D, if I get the hang of it I’ll do it EOD for more stable blood levels
Var 60mg ED, week 3.5-PCT
Proviron 40mg ED, week1-PCT
HCG throughout, Aromasin 20mg E3D throughout (read some articles that convinced me this is the best)

Extra supplements I’ll take:
Liv. 52/ Essentiale/ N-Acetyl Cysteine (read it works well)
Vitamin C
Multi-vitamin
Omega 3's
Cho-Less-Sterol
Zimplex
Any addition ones please recommend. I read on these forums milk thistle is ok to take *before* cycle, but not during. Can’t find where I read it, bit unclear on this one.


Wanted to do Winny, but for the additional considerations and costs (extra supplements and protection) making sure it’s as safe and effective as Var, it seems smarter just to run Var. Perhaps I’ll try Winny in a future cycle, no rush. Also ditched the kicker, really tempted but I think I’m just getting greedy, will be more insightful to see how I respond to Test. Looking forward and keep you guys updated on my gains!

When i started i pinned my prop eod, started getting a few spots on my face and back. switched to ed pinning and for the rest of the cycle pretty much no new spots.... from my experience i think stable blood level are realy realy key to keeping side effects minimal

@ Furk

If you have shitty mood swings, change from E3D to E2D. Customize your cycle so that it suits you as individual. The recommended is EOD, but maybe you do just fine with E2D.

Furk wrote: Extra supplements I’ll take:
Liv. 52/ Essentiale/ N-Acetyl Cysteine (read it works well)
Vitamin C
Multi-vitamin
Omega 3's
Cho-Less-Sterol
Zimplex
Any addition ones please recommend. I read on these forums milk thistle is ok to take *before* cycle, but not during. Can’t find where I read it, bit unclear on this one.

ACC-200 for liver support? Care to elaborate please? Zinplex seems a waste unless you have a zinc or vitamin A deficiency. Keep us up to date on your findings with the Prop E3D. Just so you don't think we are pimping you out, EOD or even ED injections are much better. But I am curious about the E3D injections.

Did my first Vit B12 shot today to practice. Totally painless, if oil-based chemicals are easier than B12 I don't know why people complain.

@Pyro: If pinning is so easy, I don't see a problem pinning EOD. Only problem with ED pinning is running out of fresh locations. Will rotating my quads and glutes be enough for ED pinning? I.e. same muscle pinned every 5 days?

Pin EOD for 10 weeks and we talk again bro. You can get 6 sites from glutes and 4 from delts. More than enough yeah. I wouldn´t pin delts though as the bio-availability is about 20% less than for glutes.

Glutes not delts. I'm avoiding delts on purpose.

This "ouchie" EOD pinning is getting annoying !!

One glute site left&right and one delt site left&right is more than enough for a 12 week EOD pinning schedule.

So, because I found this B12 so "simple" I completely forgot to change the needles after drawing from the vial. I realized I had no idea how to do this. I did my next injection with the same needle no problem. Do you guys use locking needles & syringes? I can just get regular slip-on types and not sure if the content in the syringe will go spurting out if I remove to forcefully ( I push the needle onto the syringe real hard).

First test pin yesterday, effortless - I'll be pinning EOD for sure. Thanks for the advice to so far guys. Loving the increased carbs in my diet. VA "guess" machine put my body-fat @ 4.9%, considering get it tested professionally but that's not priority. I reckon that money would be better spent on food as I know by BF% is super low.

6 days in; strength increasing, all lifts gone up, I have to remind myself to get out of the gym. Appetite is good I guess. According to BF% charts I'm between 4-8%. Will maybe increase calories further next week, just giving the test time to become stable.

Update at least every two weeks bud.

Will do a dry weight comparison tomorrow morning, but looking so far I've picked up 3kg's at least. Not as vascular as before I started, but I guess that's the water weight. All lifts gone up, and going up every workout. Strength and recovery very good. Worried a bit about libido (note that I've been taking 40mg prov since the start anyway).

Also, PIP the when front loading was terrible. Mobility was affected and I am still compromising cardio even though I am pinning lower dosages now. Very confused about this.

Furk wrote: Will do a dry weight comparison tomorrow morning, but looking so far I've picked up 3kg's at least. Not as vascular as before I started, but I guess that's the water weight. All lifts gone up, and going up every workout. Strength and recovery very good. Worried a bit about libido (note that I've been taking 40mg prov since the start anyway).

As of this morning 3.6kg weight gain.

Furk wrote: Also, PIP the when front loading was terrible. Mobility was affected and I am still compromising cardio even though I am pinning lower dosages now. Very confused about this.

Told you so! haha Prop into virgin muscle isn´t pleasant bud. How did you front load the prop? And why?
If your bodyfat really is 4.9% I would advise you fatten up a bit because at that BF you will not be able to build muscle as effectively. Seriously doubt it though you would know if you were really that low.

Double dosed the prop for the first week to get test levels high and stable quicker. Refuse to use D-bol, I may consider T-bol next time round.

No the 4.9% VA machine reading is bullcrap, but you it's nice to compare bullcrap to bullcrap, so I'm taking a peak on that machine every now and then. Starting of my guess from BF charts and other people would be 7%. Veins on legs visible, tricep head separation, that sort of thing. I'm going to start eating more on my training days though.

Agree with you on the D-Bol. For future reference for a first cycle do not frontload a compound because if your body gets test flu or has an allergic reaction then you are in tomato street! Bud if you really are at such a low bodyfat I would advise you not to do cardio as it will interfere with gains.

But I only do light cardio ....

... to stretch my muscles ...

... to help with recovery ...

... I promise ...



Thanks for the advice regarding test flu/ allergic reaction. Perhaps I should apply that rule every time I try a new steroid just to be safe.

Screenshot of the first healthy person ever who begged to do cardio for no reason. :lol: If I were to ever do that, know that it is code for 'I'm in deep shit with some bad people' and you should be doing everything you can to look for me.

Especially the Test-Prop is dangerous for allergic reactions as the process by which the Test is cleaved from the Propionate ester yields Propanoic Acid, which is what you get from a Bee sting.

Haha ja whatever Pyro I mostly do it 'cause it's a form of cardio that's actually fun for me. I can't friggen stand running/ jogging - boring as hell. Bro but even if BF is low, cardio exercise is always good on cycle. For cardiovascular health and cholesterol control.

Update: Weight increased by 6kg since I started out. There is water retention but I guess that goes without saying using test. Otherwise so far so good I guess, either the weight increases or the rep's increase every workout. Although I don't look as lean as I did when I started out, it has been commented that I look "healthier" More than just healthier, I definitely go for new PR's on all lifts whilst on this cycle!

What the bloody hell. I don't know if it's just 2 vials in my Prop batch but this PIP is insane. I can't sit, walk, drive or function normally. The site of injection becomes really hard and hurts extremely bad. Experienced this with my first vial but I blamed it on the volumes + virgin muscle. The second vial wasn't as bad, but the third vial is exactly like the first. Am I missing something? Some advice I picked up was to put an ice-pack on the site prior to injection and massage afterwards. Hasn't really helped that much. Any insight gents?

Transact patch and some ibuprofen for now.there is a there is a thread about injection pain. It sounds like u got some high ba in the batch. Take a needle, chop off the plastic bit and stick the tune through the rubber stopper. Heat the over up (check the thread for what temp) and stick the vial in the oven for a while. It will heat up the oil enough to make the ba evaporate. Hope this helps. I had something similar with my last bottle of masteron prop and test prop that the oil as soon as it entered the muscle started to burn and sting. Went away after about 5mins but it was strange.