Lean bulking 20 week cycle

Hey guys,

What are your thoughts on this lean bulking cycle? The last pin would be on the morning I go overseas for a holiday for two weeks, obviously hoping to look my best and when I come back I will start PCT. GW-501516 is there to try and avoid the cardio issues from Tren and I would like to add my review to the site. I have all of the ancillaries necessary on hand as well as HCG. All gear will be PGW and LP, I was contemplating maybe choosing Axio Tren E 200 over PGW Tren E 150 so that I could run it at 400mg vs 300mg when injecting 2ml per week - what are your thoughts on that? Anyone got experience with both?

Here is the cycle so far:

First half:
Week 1-10: Test E 600mg/wk (300mg Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-10: NPP 300mg/wk (150mg Mon/Thurs)
Week 1-5: Tbol 60mg/ed

Second half:
Week 10-20: Test E 300mg/wk (150mg Mon/Thurs)
Week 10-20: Tren E 300mg/wk (150mg Mon/Thurs)
Week 15-20: Winny 50mg/ed
Week 10-20: 10mg GW-501516, might increase to 20mg. Should I run this for 20 weeks or should I limit it to just 10 weeks?

Hope you are all well - looking forward to hearing what you guys think...

Hormonas

Hey bud

I am not going to talk shit here but the PGW tren E was stronger than the Axio Tren E for me.

The max time i ran GW was 16 weeks @ 20mg ED with no shit, so i can only comment up to 16 weeks.

I like the cycle, but would up the tren dose to 450mg, thats a PGW Tren E sweet spot.

PS - I have also ran the crossover with NPP to Tren, and you will need your cabaser my friend.

Hey bud

I am not going to talk shit here but the PGW tren E was stronger than the Axio Tren E for me.

The max time i ran GW was 16 weeks @ 20mg ED with no shit, so i can only comment up to 16 weeks.

I like the cycle, but would up the tren dose to 450mg, thats a PGW Tren E sweet spot.

PS - I have also ran the crossover with NPP to Tren, and you will need your cabaser my friend.

Thank you for the response Oupa... I will choose the PGW Tren at 450mg PW > Axio Tren if I decide to use it in my cycle and will get some more Caber as I think I only have enough for 0.25mg 2x per week.

Here lies an issue: as some of you know, I suffer from symptoms of PTSD which include anxiety, depression and sometimes poor anger management. My anger on Tren gets pretty bad and I find myself snapping quite a bit when I'm on the stuff (I know that steroids dont make you a prick but I was a bit of one to begin with). Usually that is fine but I will be planning this holiday with my girlfriend who I would like to keep around and for the first time in my life I am scared of how a steroid could ruin my relationship.

I have a few options, keeping in mind that I am not a fan of short cycles and I am avoiding Equi at the moment. I could run the cycle that I mentioned in the opening post with a reasonably low dose of Tren at the end of the cycle to harden me up before the trip or I could change things up a bit to avoid the potential anger.
I could do 600mg Test only for the first 10 weeks with an oral kickstart and then add NPP in for the last 10 weeks for that extra push and use the Winny to harden me up in the last 5 or so weeks. Or I could do the Test/NPP combo for the first 10 weeks and do Test and Masteron (600 and 300mg respectively) with Winny at the end. Or I could do Test only at the beginning and do a big 10 week Test/NPP/Mast finisher...

Right now I am leaning towards either risking it and using the Tren as I mentioned in my first post or doing the Test with the NPP and Winny finisher but I would like to know if you think I should be adding Masteron somewhere for that polished look?

Excuse the long post, I am pretty torn between what to do at the moment!

Npp might affect you as well I suffered with anxieties when using it.

If I was in your case I would 1000mg of test E 600-800mgs of primo and a tbol kick start and maybe add in masteron prop for your last 8weeks then bridge with anavar and proviron or winny and proviron

VERY Interested in this cycle bud would like to see what happends...

@Hormonas

I'm nowhere near adding in Trenbolone to any of my cycles but I'm a long time researcher/admirer of its revered power and ability to create a monster!
My million dollar question is whether or not you'll be logging this? Keen to follow your progress brother!

Shot,

L.Ruger

LexRuger wrote:
My million dollar question is whether or not you'll be logging this? Keen to follow your progress brother!

I won't be keeping a daily log but I would like to try to keep you all up to date with progress once or twice a week. I'm a busy guy so I would struggle to do more than that unfortunately!

@Lex, thank you for the response, the high test dose does look appealing I just worry about flaring up my pre-existing gyno... Even with letro and aromasin...

Hormonas wrote: [

I won't be keeping a daily log but I would like to try to keep you all up to date with progress once or twice a week.

That would be kind bro. Keen to follow your progress, juicy-ass cycle!

Regarding mood alteration: Bro you need a support, you're going to have to be honest with your girl, and she's going to have to guide you. That's asking a lot I know, but unless someone else can hold you in check, or you have someone to report to, your options are limited. I wish you the best. I have no doubt 00pump will chip in if you ask him, I highly respect his views and knowledge when it comes to anything in this realm.

Regarding your GW question, 10 weeks vs. 20 weeks, do you mean starting it from day 1 vs. starting at week 11? Personally I reckon GW used later, if not bridging/PCT would be the best for an even performance and recovery.

24 week test base and change to different short ester compounds every 8 week within the cycle period. Cant go wrong.

Around 3 years back I did a cycle that was kinda weird to many but gave me the most awesome results, I played around with it for a bit.

I started with 640mg of supertest ran it for 5 weeks then upped it to 960 for another 5 weeks
I front loaded with dbol for 4 weeks then took a 2week break then switched to anap for 4 weeks ( I know to many this may seem harsh on the liver but I was perfectly fine)

At week 10 I switched to test E at 1200mg for 8 weeks
Around week 15 I started super anadrol for 3 weeks Till the end of my test E which was till 8 weeks (18 weeks in cycle )

Then I took 10 days of everything no jabs no orals nothing just drank a lot of water took my lover support my cranberry extract ect.
For those 18 weeks I was on a caloric surplus. Which was high carbs and high protein

Then week 20 I started test prop at 450mg I ran test prop for 6 weeks at 450mg
At week 22 I started stanazol and used it right up to my pct. during this 6 weeks I was on a high protein low carb and low fat diet, my body doesn agree with high fat diets.

But anyway that was probably one of my most mixed up cycles but it gave me the most insane results

Lex wrote: Around 3 years back I did a cycle that was kinda weird to many but gave me the most awesome results, I played around with it for a bit.

I started with 640mg of supertest ran it for 5 weeks then upped it to 960 for another 5 weeks
I front loaded with dbol for 4 weeks then took a 2week break then switched to anap for 4 weeks ( I know to many this may seem harsh on the liver but I was perfectly fine)

At week 10 I switched to test E at 1200mg for 8 weeks
Around week 15 I started super anadrol for 3 weeks Till the end of my test E which was till 8 weeks (18 weeks in cycle )

Then I took 10 days of everything no jabs no orals nothing just drank a lot of water took my lover support my cranberry extract ect.
For those 18 weeks I was on a caloric surplus. Which was high carbs and high protein

Then week 20 I started test prop at 450mg I ran test prop for 6 weeks at 450mg
At week 22 I started stanazol and used it right up to my pct. during this 6 weeks I was on a high protein low carb and low fat diet, my body doesn agree with high fat diets.

But anyway that was probably one of my most mixed up cycles but it gave me the most insane results

How was you results on this bro can you give some stats?

To be honest I can't remember how much I've gained but it was around 16 kgs through out that entire cycle but I also became a lot leaner and harder and the week after I came Of prop I was harder than ever (well harder than ever at the time I did waaaay more hectic cycles since then )

I am concerned about you using Tren Hormonas. Tren is to be respected always and you show it a little bit of apathy and it will beat you into the hell! I would suggest Tren Ace first to give you the out if you need to stop it. TrenEn will stay in your system for weeks which means weeks and weeks of pure hell!! Again I want to say that I think you should try it but you need to be extra clever about this because like me you know you have mental stability issues.