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03 Jan 2019 08:09 #218539 by seiko
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hi, new to this forum. plz advise on following cycle.
42yo male, 70kg
alpha pharma - induject 250mg - 1ml per week over 10 weeks
alpha pharma - mastebolin 100mg - 1ml per week over 10 weeks
testosterone results before course - 14nmol/L (414ng/dL)
not sure if i should take anything else during the 10 weeks or when to pct if needed and what to take, Arimidex?

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08 Jan 2019 15:23 #218575 by eatClen
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seiko wrote: hi, new to this forum. plz advise on following cycle.
42yo male, 70kg
alpha pharma - induject 250mg - 1ml per week over 10 weeks
alpha pharma - mastebolin 100mg - 1ml per week over 10 weeks
testosterone results before course - 14nmol/L (414ng/dL)
not sure if i should take anything else during the 10 weeks or when to pct if needed and what to take, Arimidex?


Hi seiko, welcome to the forum.

Why masteron? It's a rhetorical question.

I would just do TEST Cyp, 200mg a week. Mon. 100mg and Fri. another 100mg.
You can add RAD140 and MK677 to the TEST to build a nice solid stack.

You can cycle the RAD140 for 16 weeks, when you will stop for another 16 and start again.
I will stay on the TEST Cyp and MK677 all year round.

You can come off completely and PCT but chances are that you would want to be back on to a TRT is pretty good. I mean, I would if I was 42.

There are several other knowledgeable humans on this forum that could also advise.

Just my 2 cents.

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09 Jan 2019 01:21 #218581 by SamZ4000
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Cant comment on bloods. But test is best

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09 Jan 2019 12:53 #218585 by Gym_Junkie
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seiko wrote: hi, new to this forum. plz advise on following cycle.
42yo male, 70kg
alpha pharma - induject 250mg - 1ml per week over 10 weeks
alpha pharma - mastebolin 100mg - 1ml per week over 10 weeks
testosterone results before course - 14nmol/L (414ng/dL)
not sure if i should take anything else during the 10 weeks or when to pct if needed and what to take, Arimidex?


Not sure who gave you this cycle...

I assume your goal is to bulk,if its your first cycle, drop the masterbolin (Drostanolone Propionate) and I would suggest running Test E rather than inducject (Sust) but if you must then run it at 2ml per week split between two shots.

Go read the PCT section and other articles please.
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09 Jan 2019 16:58 #218594 by seiko
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Mastebolin to harden the gains?
Was advised on using hcg after cycle

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09 Jan 2019 22:49 #218613 by Gym_Junkie
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You will really only see the effects of masterbolin when you have a very low body fat hence why it is used in cutting cycles. Plus I think that is a short ester meaning you will have to pin EOD for it to be effective.

You can read about HcG use in PCT in the PCT article on this site.

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10 Jan 2019 09:55 #218619 by seiko
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Thanks a lot for the advise. Just a question. If I drop the mastebolin and maybe pin 2ml test from week 4-12.

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10 Jan 2019 10:29 #218621 by Gym_Junkie
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seiko wrote: Thanks a lot for the advise. Just a question. If I drop the mastebolin and maybe pin 2ml test from week 4-12.


Not sure what you are asking since induject 250mg is a test blend..

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10 Jan 2019 11:34 #218623 by seiko
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Initially cycle was 1ml test & 1ml mastebolin per week
I’m saying if I drop the mastebolin and increase the test to 2ml from weeks 4-12.

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10 Jan 2019 12:39 #218626 by SamZ4000
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seiko wrote: Initially cycle was 1ml test & 1ml mastebolin per week
I’m saying if I drop the mastebolin and increase the test to 2ml from weeks 4-12.


Drop the masteron completely
Jsut run a plain test cycle for 10-12weeks at. 500mg/wk
If want to try out a oral. Add it in first 4 weeks. Or last 4-6 weeks
(Brigde). The pct 1 or 2

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10 Jan 2019 13:40 #218627 by Gym_Junkie
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seiko wrote: Initially cycle was 1ml test & 1ml mastebolin per week
I’m saying if I drop the mastebolin and increase the test to 2ml from weeks 4-12.


You can run test at 2ml (500mg) per week right from the start.

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26 Feb 2019 09:46 #219025 by seiko
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Just finish cycle
Want to know if .5mg arimidex EOD for 2 weeks is sufficient pct

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26 Feb 2019 10:17 - 26 Feb 2019 10:17 #219026 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: Just finish cycle
Want to know if .5mg arimidex EOD for 2 weeks is sufficient pct


No, probably around 4 weeks. Test your bloods if they not high enough continue for a few more weeks and then test again. Also 0.5 twice a week is enough not EOD, even then you may be crashing your estrogen to low. That is why I like the LP drops, as I can just use 2 drops EOD.

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26 Feb 2019 11:36 #219027 by Muscleaddict
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seiko wrote: Just finish cycle
Want to know if .5mg arimidex EOD for 2 weeks is sufficient pct


You are also taking nolvadex/clomid I assume? Aridimex on it's own is not sufficient, especially in your 40's.

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26 Feb 2019 11:37 #219028 by seiko
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Developed some fat behind 1 nipple. It’s more pointy than the other. Wud 4 weeks arimidex .5mg EOD cute that?
I was on 1ml test blend and 1ml masteron for 10 weeks
Your replies are greatly appreciated.

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26 Feb 2019 11:44 #219029 by seiko
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I been taking clomid while on cycle. Then arimidex while on cycle. And to continue for further 4 weeks after cycle

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26 Feb 2019 12:42 #219030 by 00pump
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Muscleaddict wrote:

seiko wrote: Just finish cycle
Want to know if .5mg arimidex EOD for 2 weeks is sufficient pct


You are also taking nolvadex/clomid I assume? Aridimex on it's own is not sufficient, especially in your 40's.


I didn't read this, I would not be mixing Adex or Letro with Nolva and Clomid in PCT..

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26 Feb 2019 12:42 #219031 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: I been taking clomid while on cycle. Then arimidex while on cycle. And to continue for further 4 weeks after cycle


You probably developed the pseudo gyno from the clomid. Why did you run it during your cycle?

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26 Feb 2019 12:43 #219032 by 00pump
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seiko wrote: Developed some fat behind 1 nipple. It’s more pointy than the other. Wud 4 weeks arimidex .5mg EOD cute that?
I was on 1ml test blend and 1ml masteron for 10 weeks
Your replies are greatly appreciated.


When you off all the hormones and your body balances it self out it may go away on its own

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26 Feb 2019 12:44 #219033 by SamZ4000
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seiko wrote: I been taking clomid while on cycle. Then arimidex while on cycle. And to continue for further 4 weeks after cycle

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26 Feb 2019 14:40 #219034 by seiko
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Thanks for replies. I had ‘pseudo gyno’ from previous cycles. My trainer suggested to try and solve that problem while on cycle. He put me on 10weeks 1ml masteron 1ml induject. I felt sore on that side after 2nd week so he gave me a packet of clomid which I completed. The soreness was still there then he gave me arimidex. He said that next step wud be letro. I’m not sure if this approach of his was correct. Basically I just need to resolve this pseudo gyno and then see from there. Much appreciated.

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26 Feb 2019 15:26 - 26 Feb 2019 15:27 #219035 by Muscleaddict
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Clomid is not an effective gyno treatment when you're using any steroids that convert to estrogen like testosterone. It could even make it worse because it has both estrogenic and antiestrogenic properties. At best it is a pretty bad antiestrogen even when off cycle. There is no reason to ever use clomid when on cycle. Nolvedex is much better, but an AI is the way to go with a pre-existing gyno condition.

Masteron will also not help pre-existing pseudo gyno. It does have mild antiestrogenic properties but you need your estrogen levels to be brought down far lower than what masteron can do if you want to treat the problem.

If the 'pseudo' gyno was caused by a previous steroid cycle then it is not pseudo gyno. It is real gyno and unfortunately if it's been there more than a few months it's almost impossible to get rid of completely. Been there, got the tshirt and the fucking lump.

But letro would be the best option to try and minimise what is there already. Sort out PCT first.
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26 Feb 2019 15:35 #219036 by seiko
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Thanks bro. So this was a bullshit cycle from my trainer! I’ll continue with the arimidex for 4 weeks from last pin. When exactly shud I start letro? And shud I expect any harsh side effects. If so what shud I take to balance that?

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26 Feb 2019 16:04 #219037 by Muscleaddict
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How long have you had the gyno symptoms for?

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26 Feb 2019 16:21 #219038 by seiko
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Probably a year. No lump or pain. Just fat behind nipple. That’s before I started this cycle. Unlike now if I press it it’s sore

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