First Tren Cycle

Hello forum members

I need some guidance and/or advise on my next cycle, which will also be my first Tren cycle. Quick background, this will be my fourth cycle. Previous cycles were all bulking with various compounds including Deca.

Stats:
Age: 25
Height: 1.86m
Weight: 88 kg
Body Fat: 10-12%
Cycle Goal: Cut (calorie deficit)

Cycle:

Wks 1-3: Superdrol @ 30 mg ED
Wks 1-10: Test Prop @ 100mg EOD (400mg per wk)
Wks 4-9: Tren Ace @ 40mg EOD (160mg per wk)
Wks 4-11: HcG 250iu E3D
Wks 8-12: Anavar @ 40mg ED

(Arimidex @ 0.5mg E3D if needed)

PCT: (2 Wks after last pin)

Day 1-7: Clomid @ 100mg ED
Day 8-37: Nolva @ 20mg ED
Day 8-37: Aromosin @ 20mg ED
Day 1-37: Cardarine @ 10mg ED

Comments:

1. I have a pack of Superdrol left over and I loved the results previously that's why I'm trying to incorporate it.
2. I chose Anavar (hold anabolic environment till PCT) at the end over Winstrol because Winstrol gave me horrible Ance (Worse than any other compound I've used).

Questions:

1. Previous cycles I had problems with becoming very red (like sunburn) . Blood pressure was fine throughout and I read its a normal side effect of AAS. Anything that can help this?

2. How do you guys control Acne?

3. I've never used Test Prop and I heard it's painful so I'm a little weary of running it for 10 weeks. I was playing with the idea of running Test E for the first 6-8 weeks, Superdrol for slightly longer and then running Tren Ace/Test prop for 6 weeks. The cycle would be longer and I could possibly run a slight calorie surplus for the first half. Just an idea, please criticise.

Not going to mock that, sound a bit like me. Enjoy the cycle and share results. Cool...

What I mean is you'll figure it out. Best to trial, all have different bodies.

Cycle looks great but now that I am not so busy:
Day 1-7: Clomid @ 100mg ED - change to 50mg ED for 14 days for a better recovery.
How do you guys control Acne? my choice is purbac, its not as harsh as that other crap reaccutane

I've never used Test Prop and I heard it's painful so I'm a little weary of running it for 10 weeks. I was playing with the idea of running Test E for the first 6-8 weeks, Superdrol for slightly longer and then running Tren Ace/Test prop for 6 weeks. The cycle would be longer and I could possibly run a slight calorie surplus for the first half. Just an idea, please criticise. its not that bad but either or sounds fine. Not a great idea to run superdrol longer then 21 odd days.

Have you got your letro and caber on hand?

@fillet. On the purbac. Could i use that in general for non-gear related acne

SamZ4000 wrote: @fillet. On the purbac. Could i use that in general for non-gear related acne

Yes you can mate. Doc put my son on it as he is now 12yrs and the teen acne, beard hairs etc. is starting.
I used it, 6 months and not a mark - i broke out on my back from Tren - all sorted.

FIllet wrote: Cycle looks great but now that I am not so busy:
Day 1-7: Clomid @ 100mg ED - change to 50mg ED for 14 days for a better recovery.
How do you guys control Acne? my choice is purbac, its not as harsh as that other crap reaccutane

I've never used Test Prop and I heard it's painful so I'm a little weary of running it for 10 weeks. I was playing with the idea of running Test E for the first 6-8 weeks, Superdrol for slightly longer and then running Tren Ace/Test prop for 6 weeks. The cycle would be longer and I could possibly run a slight calorie surplus for the first half. Just an idea, please criticise. its not that bad but either or sounds fine. Not a great idea to run superdrol longer then 21 odd days.

Have you got your letro and caber on hand?

Thank Fillet. I appreciate the advice.

I use adex over letro usually on cycle, not really prone to gyno but I do bloat a bit. I have never used caber, I understand its importance but its pretty difficult to get hold of and expensive. Going to see if my supplier can get some.

Do you use the purbac on gear or after?

Yes Adex is great you don't feel shit like you do on letro. I am also not gyno prone but all ancillaries are always on hand.

If you can get at least 4mg Caber, once prolactin kicks in it's pretty fucken hard to rid yourself of it. I always play safe on the 19's.

Use purbac when the back acne kicks in, whether on or off cycle - I got it off cycle last time but i was running a large amount of tren. You normally use it for around 6 months, been clear since then and running 1500mg Test and 8IU insulin. I don't find a need for tren now.

Tren dosage is low, run 100mg EOD or 50 ED.

I’m guessing your using PGW based on the 40mg dosage (80mg/1ml). If that’s the case then use 80mg EOD or 40mg ED.

Schmidt wrote: Tren dosage is low, run 100mg EOD or 50 ED.

I’m guessing your using PGW based on the 40mg dosage (80mg/1ml). If that’s the case then use 80mg EOD or 40mg ED.

Took the dosage from an example cycle, noticed I read it wrong. Will probably be HD labs Tren. Adjusting it to 80mg EOD. I pefer running on the slightly lower side.

Stick to a minimum dosage you will grow.

FIllet wrote: Stick to a minimum dosage you will grow.

This always works for my guys. On tren. they even grow after they cycle. 10weeks later if they using a E esther. Tren is amazing stuff used wisely

FIllet wrote: Yes Adex is great you don't feel shit like you do on letro. I am also not gyno prone but all ancillaries are always on hand.

If you can get at least 4mg Caber, once prolactin kicks in it's pretty fucken hard to rid yourself of it. I always play safe on the 19's.

Use purbac when the back acne kicks in, whether on or off cycle - I got it off cycle last time but i was running a large amount of tren. You normally use it for around 6 months, been clear since then and running 1500mg Test and 8IU insulin. I don't find a need for tren now.

Sorry for the hijack. A quick one
Your take on hgh/slin nd test nd tren all combined have you tried this? @Fillet

If I'm ready your question correct, almost... Did high dose deca, test and gh. Was not overly impressed at all. Ran the gh for nine months.

Slin and higher test for my weight has had instant results and quick. I don't get gut distention as I left the diuretics and increased water intake. From others mouths, "you a third the size bigger, what happened". Ripping is easy, test and mast. It's the freak mass I want but lean mass.

Start giving you some pluses. Your karma is low for a knowledgeable gent.

Interesting Acne option. More interesting is how we all react differently to gear. I get no acne from Tren but horrible acne if I run anything over 500mg of test per week. Next cycle I am gonna give the high test with Purbac a try. The one side Gym_Junkie be prepared for is how Tren completely screws with your sleep (well at least in my case). I eventually get used to it after about 4 weeks but before that I need to take OTC sleeps meds (and rotate types to avoid them losing their effect) and sometimes even need proper sleeping meds. No sleep,can hyjack your gains and make fat loss tough.

FIllet wrote: Start giving you some pluses. Your karma is low for a knowledgeable gent.

I get that a lot. Here in my circle :lol: I hardly talk too much about bodybuilding on here. For the guys who know me. They know me

Looks like a good cycle. Perfect dose for 1st time on tren. Sure, you'll get more results at a higher dose but it's not always worth the side effects.

You say you'll be running a caloric deficit, just don't go low carb when on tren. Your body will hate you even at that dose, and you will be craving non stop. You'll find your caloric requirements change very quickly on tren.

True that. I have seen guys clock a full chicken like a joke when the on tren in one setting excluding they vegs and pap. :woohoo:

Looks very similar to the cycle I've got planned for later this year, and very keen on hearing how you react to it.. My main difference is I'll be using the super test 320 and some deca for the joints .

Maybe make a thread with a log of progress so we can watch and suggest tweaks where necessary?

PS. Damn I love my sdrol too....

Xpornstar wrote: Looks very similar to the cycle I've got planned for later this year, and very keen on hearing how you react to it.. My main difference is I'll be using the super test 320 and some deca for the joints .
supertest320mg/ Deca350mg & tren? In one cycle???
Maybe make a thread with a log of progress so we can watch and suggest tweaks where necessary?

PS. Damn I love my sdrol too....

FIllet wrote: Start giving you some pluses. Your karma is low for a knowledgeable gent.

`I'm with you on that one

+1 same

@Gym_Junkie, if you are going for a Cutting cycle, you will be better off with a low dose of TREN, as you have your cycle planned.

I just have some considerations for you:

1) The duration of your cycle might explain why you are using shorter esters, unless you are planning to go onto some stage to parade your body or whatever i.e. PROP en ACE. The problem I have with short acting AAS esters is that, (a) you have a lot more pinning going on (b) you are not giving your body any time to get use to the foreign synthetic compounds that you are injecting (c) huge and sudden dramatic changes in blood and hormone levels.

Not knowing why you prefer short acting esters over the longer acting ones, I can only give my opinion on the understanding of your summary.

2) Consider the alternative of longer acting esters of your compounds for both TEST and TREN. Perhaps TEST CYP and TREN E.

3) Your TREN dosage for cutting seems OK. I will also rather use a lower dose, as apposed to jumping right into a 200mg + TREN dose, considering that you have never used TREN before.

4) At your age, it would probably make sense to come off your cycle sooner, rather than later. You could consider stretching the TEST (again, pointless to do TEST P here) injections for weeks after you've stopped your TREN injections to assist with (a) blood - and hormone levels (b) contribute to keeping your muscle gained on the TREN cycle, before gradually preparing for your PCT when you decide to come off completely. You have the VAR at the right place of your cycle. This is my personal favorite and you can use VAR in CUT and BULK stacks.

You have the right compounds on hand to handle your sides. Remember Milk Thistle, DAILY and lots of water; TREN is TOXIC, but a great compound. 3 months on TREN is enough (again, consider TREN E because putting needles up your ass every day, really is NO fun and if you are not prepping for contest, its really unnecessary IMHO.)

Ask your confidant to get a shower glove and scrub often, this should help with the oily skin / acne, although this side effect originates from your blood, and not your skin.

Summary: Drop the Ace and Prop. Get TEST Cyp and TREN E. Stretch the TEST Cyp for weeks after your TREN is finished. Lower dose is ALWAYS better than HIGHER dose, ALWAYS.

If you don't have children and don't want any and your confidant is a female not taking birth control, wear a rubber.

Good luck, have fun!

O, BTW, as a side note, look into RAD140 (20mg a day, taken once in the morning) and MK677 (20mg a day, taken once before bed) which will stack SUPER nice with your cycle.

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Tren e. For first time user? Even a 150mg of tren a week is plenty a have a few guys who actually started off on that dose coz they wheee already thoses normal sus& deca guys we find in every gym.. I will come to check with sides when his a few weeks in and wants to stop the cycle.

Short esthers are always best for anyone who wants to test the waters for anything my 2cents. That was a lot of talking there

SamZ4000 wrote: /\ /\
Tren e. For first time user? Even a 150mg of tren a week is plenty a have a few guys who actually started off on that dose coz they wheee already thoses normal sus& deca guys we find in every gym.. I will come to check with sides when his a few weeks in and wants to stop the cycle.

Short esthers are always best for anyone who wants to test the waters for anything my 2cents. That was a lot of talking there

Short esters contain more steroid while longer esters, less.

Although it might look like an appealing argument to have, I believe it is invalid. Here is why:

Lets take DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) for example.

If you smoke freebase DMT, there is a much greater and immediate reaction that is derived from the use of the compound, compared to drinking the DMT containing alkaloid brew, ayahuasca, which not only takes longer to be absorbed by the body but also gets motabolized gradually over time, allowing your body to adapt against its reaction.

The same goes for AAS and esters in this context. To say that in the event of something going wrong, that it would be better to have taken a shorter acting ester (fast in, fast out) is invalid to this argument, because the risk involved is much greater, due to the potency comparison of a shorter acting steroid vs. a longer acting ester.

The example used might be out of context but I believe I am bringing the point across.

I don’t want to flame the original posters thread but believe the information is accurate. If any of the more experienced individuals would like to comment to avoid any misleading information, please share.