Return Cycle

Hi guys. Good to be back on the forum after more than a year of absence. This will be a long post so thanks to those who take the time to read it.

I’ve decided that this will be the year that I really focus on adding size to my frame and I plan on trying a longer cycle with more compounds than I’ve done in the past. I would appreciate members’ general thoughts on the planned cycle and responses to my current questions. I have not cycled anything in the last 18+months and while I remained lean and trained hard, I’ve probably lost about 10kg from previous cycles.

Stats and Information
• Age 33
• Been on TRT 120mg pw Test Cyp for two and a half years
• Training for about 15 years, of which 3 was largely competitive boxing
• Cycle experience - +- 6 cycles
• Weight – 85 kg
• Height – 1.84 cm
• BF – Not sure (Pics will be added, but I reckon it’s around 10%)
• Planned Diet – High Protein, moderate fat, moderate carbs +- 300 calorie surplus

Cycle 1 Plan
20 Weeks – Planned Start Date 1 March 2020

Injectables
Test Cyp 250 - Week 1 to 20 - 500mg p/w
Equi 350 - Week 1 to 20 - 600/700mg p/w
Deca 350 - Week 1 to 13 - 500mg p/w
Tren 200 - Week 8 to 20 - 300mg p/w

Orals
Proviron 20 - Week 1 to 20 - 60mg ED
Winstrol 10 - 1 to 4 & 17 to 20 - 50mg ED

Ancillaries
Arimidex - 0.2mg ED throughout
Caber - 0.25 to 0.5 p/w
Aromasin - 20mg ED Week 20/21/22
Letro - On hand if needed

Fat Loss
Clen LP Liquid - Week 17 to 20 taper up from 40mcg to 100/120mcg
T3 - Week 17 to 19 – 100mg ED
Yohimbine - Week 17 to 19 – 20mg ED

Initial comments and questions
I know my test dose is in the low range, but I would like to keep most meds in the lowest range while remaining effective.
I know running Proviron throughout is probably unnecessary, but I feel great on the stuff and seeing as it is ‘safe’ and synergistic with other compounds I think it’s a good addition at 60mg ED.
I’ve added the 4 week ‘cut’ at the end, this isn’t fixed and I included it in case I feel overly bloated and not lean enough to my liking. I might end up using an OTC diuretic if I feel I’m holding too much water.
Aromasin has been great to me in the past when run for 3 to 4 weeks before going back to TRT only.

I have never done Deca and Tren at the same time. Is the overlap of 4-5 weeks in the middle a good idea?
I also thought about lowering the Deca to 100mg once I start Tren, purely for the strength and joint benefits?
I plan to run Arimidex at 0.2mg throughout. Thoughts on dose will be appreciated.
I have never needed caber or dostinex in the past, but given the extended period of Deca and Tren use, will 0.25mg to 0.5mg per week be sufficient for progesterone control? Also, should I run it from week one or start later?

Appreciate any comments, questions and suggestions.

Just a comment.

I'm planning on running a similar cycle from April for 18 weeks but without the Deca and Anavar in place of the winstrol.
I found that previously running Deca and Tren together resulted in high blood pressure, night sweats and insomnia. It subsided when I reduced the Tren from 300mg per week to 150mg per week. Suppose that could be purely down to the tren and not the deca. But in future I will not run them together.

Some pics taken over the last few weeks. Some are pretty shit, but gives a general idea of BF and size.

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Too much gear. The cycle looks pretty well thought out, but the benefits to side effects ratio will be unnecessary. If you were already 120Kg lean trying to squeeze maximum gains out from your genetics for a nationals show I could understand, but you're only 85kg at 6 foot, and with plenty of muscle memory from previous cycles, and you have a shitload of room to grow.

Rather: 2ml test cyp + 1ml Deca + 1ml EQ per week -> more than enough.

Drop the deca after 10 weeks and then add the tren at 200mg/week. No need to ever run both together, plus it is terrible for your blood pressure and heart. PGW Tren is very potent. You won't need anything extra from the deca. Tren actually boosts collagen synthesis as well.

Your bf% is ideal for starting a cycle, so good to know your diet must be on point.

Are you doing a show? If not, I'm just wondering if all the fat burners are necessary. T3's fat gain rebound is terrible and there is no magic to stop it.

Thanks MA really appreciate your views.

I'll definitely take the advice and drop the Deca after W10 and start Tren at 200mg pw for the remainder. All of the meds will be PGW and orals LP.

I'll also rethink the T3, seeing as I'm not planning on doing a show, yet.

Any thoughts on the progesterone and anti e ancillaries and doses?

Caber and adex dose look fine. You won't need letro unless you have major gyno sensitivity. Just up the adex if you need to.

Since you aren't needing PCT aromasin isn't entirely necessary, but it is better to prevent estrogen rebound. 25mg EOD should be fine for most people.

Let us know how it goes.

Please keep us posted on your cycle and progress, as mentioned I will be doing a similar cycle from April.