What should I cycle next? (EQ or Deca)

So I am currently cycling 500mg test a week with orals in between.
Background :
Age : 21 (Judge me as much as you want.)
Weight : 82Kg (5% BDF)
Yes Im lean as fuckkkk… used to do hockey, mountain biking and western boxing. (quite good at playing hockey)
Bench 1rpm : 110kg… its low ik.
Squat 1rpm : 180kg… good for my size in my opinion…
Why am I so “skinny” ?
1. I used to weigh 55kg before I started lifting in grade 10… so wayyyy back.
2. I have a 28inch waist … Yes u read that right. Difficult to find pants for me… because my waist is so small but my legs barely squeeze into a 32inch pants.
3. I am literally that meme where all my friends STILL put their fingers around my wrist.
With that out of the way let me tell u my previous experience with AAS/PEDs …
Did 15mg of RAD 140 with my friends in grade 12 as a joke… BUT BOOIII let me tell you I blew up… went from 62kg to 70kg in 2 months…
Crappy diet , crappy training , crappy everything.
I thought wow these stuff are godlike drugs. SO mini me ran to my Godfather an IFBB pro asked him what he used to cycle… Got a straight answer (after he said everything) TREN A, TEST P, MAST P. What did I do ? Simple, I bought needles and SuperCutMIx300 injected it daily for about 3 months… took very low dosage, I was stupid. I became someone else. Did pack on weight but lost it all cause I read some idiot on reddit doesn’t do PCTs . So I left roids for like a year alone. Did do some orals that my friends had like 5mg dbol once a while. I thought it was just like popping a few pills that would help , boi was I wrong.
So I didn’t do crap with roids for about a year. Focussed on diet and nutrition like an autistic kid on youtube doing maths. HINT im studying maths btw.
Gained 5kgs of quality muscle. Dropped fat.
Earlier last year I helped a friend do research for his roid cycle. He is a year younger than me but HUGE. Possibly a genetic freak in my op. And I decided to give roids one more go.
Doing a 600mg test cyp/week cycle. With sdrol that I just dropped.
PCT :
Clomid first 7 days – rid of free E2.
HCG 3000 iu injection then and 4 days later the other 3000 iu. (Ovidrel)
Nolvadex ED for the next 30.
I am almost done with my cycle anyways made HUGE gains like in my first RAD 140 experiment and im realizing I shouldn’t screw around with the stuff.
Just got advice from my godfather that EQ is a good 2nd cycle option. Im also considering Deca but im scared of shutdown as it is THE worse ASIH type of shutdown. (Prolactin + Progesterone + E2). Colorado studies on this …
Any advice when it comes to EQ? Did my research. Doesn’t help unless you run high amounts of EQ for long periods. I do know about the conspiracy theory of EQ AI and that if I use too much AI on the cycle I can get low E2 problems.
My goal to be precise : I look like david laid. Physique wise and almost face wise. Gaining more quality muscle has always been a weakness. Muscle size is something i am chasing now. Cutting isnt for me seeimgly im lean as hell already. Why i am going with bulking cycles.

1-16 wk cycle
- EQ 500mg/wk (Discontinue on week 14)
- Test Cyp 200mg/wk
- Proviron 25mg ED
- Anadrol 100mg ED – First 2 weeks
- Winstrol 20mg ED – Last 2 weeks
PCT :
Same as previously stated for my test cyp cycle.
Any advice would be nice !!! (EQ and DECA focused. I don’t want to create an inflammatory discussion. Nor would I like judgement from my stupid decisions of AAS… Everyone has made AAS mistakes… And everyone knows the mind of a teenager…)
I am also considering just doing a test and masteron cycle instead ...

Anadadrol @ 100mg ed @ 82kg. Why first 2 weeks?

Masteron @ 5% bodyfat? Whats the idea here?

Anadrol is something ive always wanted to try.
Ive seen some good progress and pumps on it. So i thought incorporating it as a front load would be interesting seemingly it does cause a bloat and vascularity. So the vascularity is obviously from the increased BP from the RBC and RBC is quite good when it comes to increasing protein delivery to muscles
So i thought it could kickstart a good protein balance in the beginning of a cycle. Like dbol does.

For the masteron ive heard people say the strength gains are crazy on it. No prominent size gain but i wouldnt mind seeing my lifts go up. And also it frees up T from SHBG. Just a thought i had.

I would like to see photos of you.

Most guys think they are 5% at 12 to 15%

Im only quoting the PF inbody scan test. I agree im not on 5% but I guess im at 10% . For now all ik is i went form 12% on the scan to 5%.
imgur.com/wvmxoFa
Some of it is also water retention which does make me look a bit more round.

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Linking back to the top I meant to say 100mg ED Anadrol for 4 weeks. Only saw now my error. I dont like the dbol frontload. Made me bloat too much.

You look natty.
Do you know how to train properly or do you throw weights and take gear?

EDIT: By the way you typed out your thread it sounded like you should look like Big Ramy... How do you train and what are you lifts atm.
180 squat (which I will assume quarter rep) is not that great.

You are a real piece of work MPhilosopher. Just a while back you asked for advise on your FIRST cycle. Also looking at your weight and your questions regarding gear etc one can assume that you are a total noob.

Who the hell cares what his squat is. FFS

Stop being such a doos.

Fair. But there is a kind of mentality of people that should not take anabolics. Does he know how to train? He is typing like a leviathan on meth. He should get his basics in order before introducing any pharmaceutical adjuncts. I was fortunate enough to have had great guidance in my life from pro level guys that care about health and not fucking people up. This guy seems like a classic case of work less hard take more drugs.

EDIT: Also, total noob? I got my lifts into very close to elite numbers by the time I was 16-17 at 70kg

Ok we don't need a dick measuring contest. Let's stick on topic.

"Did 15mg of RAD 140 with my friends in grade 12 as a joke… BUT BOOIII let me tell you I blew up… went from 62kg to 70kg in 2 months…"

Yeah I am signing out from talking to this guy.
Sounds like a guy with an actual issue. Also based on his posts in the concentration/nootropic discussion he seems to be a bit mentally off and not in an intellectual way. He is either a troll or mentally limited.

MPhilosopher wrote: "Did 15mg of RAD 140 with my friends in grade 12 as a joke… BUT BOOIII let me tell you I blew up… went from 62kg to 70kg in 2 months…"

Yeah I am signing out from talking to this guy.
Sounds like a guy with an actual issue. Also based on his posts in the concentration/nootropic discussion he seems to be a bit mentally off and not in an intellectual way. He is either a troll or mentally limited.

This is totally uncalled for, you have no right to say that he seems to be a bit mentally off, he offered a perspective from his side and from the “thank you” he received it seems like the forum did appreciate his post.

Will post later on how looked at around 15. Well im not genetically gifted . I can send you my workout currently but i have swopped around a bit to overcome plateaus. For me knowing i went from a skinny basturd to this is enough a sign that i had put in hard work. From 55kg to 83kg morning weight rn. Looking natty is something debatable. Which im not gonna hop on rn.

Strength wise. My apparent quater rep. Nah it was a proper dip. One thing i do pride myself on is my technique but okay.

My experience with nootropics and mental meds are something different. Just offered perspective of how it could become a rabbit hole.

Dont wanna go down a rabbit hole but i chose to do Oupa's crossfit cycle. Will share my bloodtests and progress on here when im done.
Sorry im not your typical guy that is gifted when it comes to looking great. And making gains. However i would like to ask that some of you acknowledge that most people screw around with anabolics. And i dontsee the point of shunning them instead of helping.

MPhilosopher wrote: "Did 15mg of RAD 140 with my friends in grade 12 as a joke… BUT BOOIII let me tell you I blew up… went from 62kg to 70kg in 2 months…"

Yeah I am signing out from talking to this guy.
Sounds like a guy with an actual issue. Also based on his posts in the concentration/nootropic discussion he seems to be a bit mentally off and not in an intellectual way. He is either a troll or mentally limited.

I asked you to stop it. Have a week cool off.

vladtheimpaler wrote:
Dont wanna go down a rabbit hole but i chose to do Oupa's crossfit cycle. W

You are not going to grow on this cycle. This is strength & endurance.

Your physique needs Deca & Test. Use the short esters not long, you can switch to those laster after 8 weeks on short esters. Anadrol 50mg ED is more than you need.

Most important is - You have to EAT ! EAT ! EAT ! EAT !

We have built many small guys into monsters, its possible.

THANK YOU OUPA.
Okay so im currently trying to do that. Eating has always been a problem. Hate it tbh. Will try and reduce my concerta meds. I usually just chug mass gainers. doesnt work necesarily ik. But i am currently doing my typical i want to bulk diet with an old school approach which works imo.

LAST QUESTIONS I PROMISE>>> ty for the help btw.

imgur.com/a/EwJt161

! my calculated cycle.

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Question 1 ) How much caber do i need on hand ? And when should i take it to be precise ? when symptoms pop up or just take it cause prolactin is gonna happen ?
Question 2) HCG on cycle ? or not ? Not sure how shutdowny deca is really ... IK its the worse of all. but want to make sure.
Question 3) Milk thistle and essentiale on Anadrol ? Or neither ? just making sure ... (I dont drink alcohol btw)

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Any advice on the cycle i just made will be much appreciated !!! especially with dosage . ty

Hi.

Leave out the npp. Run deca & test together from week 1. Keep your cycle length around 10-12 weeks. 16 weeks is long. Then pct 2-3

1. Caber you need 1tabs a week for the length of your cycle.
2. It’s up to you. If you run hcg on cycle some don’t use in it in they pct. I would say run hcg in your pct. Deca will shut you down.
3. Milk thistle and essentials on cycle is best.

Also post your diet and training program here. I see nothing given here.

Lastly go read the forum here. There’s all your questions answered here.

NPP at 300mg is definitely more than enough for you. My favourite bulking steroid. 50mg anadrol also enough.

I recommend running an extended, longer PCT after deca. The recovery period is long...

Thanks for all the help guys ! Really much appreciated.
Sorry for asking the caber question , saw it in a deca post about a year ago. Got it !!!

As for questions on my diet and training.
Diet :
1week maintenance cals - and 1 week smashing calories .

Found this to work best instead of a steady cal surplus because my metabolism seems to always catch up with me. So its almost like screwing around with it.

Did post it in the imgur pic.

Training - Difference in training is gonna be in my brosplit and a bit in my soviet russian powerlifting program

PL - gonna do classic 5x5 instead of RPL slow increase. Im sure ill break plateaus on this cycle easily.

BroSplit - Higher intensity
Doing a 10x10 on each exercise with 1min rest. Same weight i use currently. i usually fail first few weeks with it. cant do such high intensity from a 3x12 type of exercise. so i usually just see how far i can go till i pop off then increase the weight.

PCT ill up like oupa said. a more intense PCT --

I think ill do a mini cut before i start the cycle. then go in hard . and quick then get out quick.
found it to be most effective.

Need to save up first on my student salary / income... gonna take a while but atleast i dont party because 2nd year aint no playin games xD

vladtheimpaler wrote:
BroSplit - Higher intensity
Doing a 10x10 on each exercise with 1min rest. Same weight i use currently. i usually fail first few weeks with it. cant do such high intensity from a 3x12 type of exercise. so i usually just see how far i can go till i pop off then increase the weight.

10x10 :blink: . Sorry bud your idea of 'intensity' is off. You're a classic ectomorph - lift heavy to grow. If you can recover from a set in 1 minute, you are not doing an intense set and you aren't giving your muscles stimulus for close to optimal growth. On a Bro split where you're working each muscle group once a week - lifting to failure or at least very close on your 2 last working sets is the way to go. The heavier the weight, the more fast-twitch fibers you'll use during the lift. You want that. You're just running out of muscle glycogen before you get a chance to recruit maximal muscle fibres.

Training to failure at 8-12 reps only doesn't work wonders IF you fatigue yourself too early, or if you're hitting chest/back/legs more than once a week. In the latter case you can leave a rep or 2 in the tank.

Muscleaddict wrote: NPP at 300mg is definitely more than enough for you. My favourite bulking steroid. 50mg anadrol also enough.

I recommend running an extended, longer PCT after deca. The recovery period is long...

Agreed, this should be your dosages.

Thanks MuscleAddict
I saw I made a booboo in my typing. (With related to the 3x12 being more difficult)

Anyways - So sticking to my Soviet PL routine and doing classic 5x5 workouts sould be better?
5x5 Example
Back :
T-Bar Rows
Smith Machine Pendlay row
Dumbell Rows - Lets say 5X8 on this one
Pull ups - Weighted (Havent done these in a while)
Lat Pulldown weighted machine (New ones that you can go heavier on)
Face Pulls 5x8
Barbell Curl 5x8

Sounds right ? (Left out deadlift because i did them in the soviet pl routine then.)

WHY I DO SOVIET PL ROUTINE ?
- It just helps me break through plateaus easily ... Just does cant explain why ...

So lets say
Monday : Deadlift PL
Tuesday : Legs (5x5)
Wednesday : Chest (5x5)
Thursday : Back (5x5)
Friday : Girlfriend day
Saturday : Squat PL
Sunday : Bench P / PL

You’re getting good help with cycle , training and nutrition. Work on getting it in order before starting the cycle. I’d say give it at least 2 months to make it become somewhat of a habit around your training and eating. Once you’ve got it in check then leap that cycle. NPP cycle is going to be great for your goals!

I’m case you didn’t hear it first time around... work on eating, eating and eating. If you’re not growing from the eating changes alone then you won’t get maximum gains from your cycle.
I don’t just spew what I read or here but speak from experience. My very first cycle I’ve been warned not to start and worked on changing my eating and training habits (which I always thought was on point). Saw amazing changes before the cycle and you can only imagine how much I enjoyed the results when I finally hit that cycle the right way.

Good luck man

I would advise test and deca.

Hi Muscleaddict, could you please explain or illustrate what you mean by running a longer pct? When running PCT 3, what compounds would you take longer for it to be extended?
Thank you