What should I cycle next? (EQ or Deca)

I would extend with an extra month of clomid at 25mg/day. Clomid is not as good as Nolva at boosting LH, but at 25mg it will significantly stimulate LH -> T production. Clomid is better at restoring spermatogenesis though and does not screw up your IGF1 levels like nolvadex does.

Awesome, thank you very much Muscleaddict

Just to confirm, if I were to do pct 3, and wanted to extend my pct, after doing the entire pct 3, beginning with clomid for the first week, dropping it and finishing with my last Nolvadex and aromasin tabs, would I then do another month of clomid at 25mg/day?

Hey guys.

Just wanted to update you guys on the bulk. Started focussing alot more on my diet and let me tell you i feel the difference now majorly! Always thought i was eating enough. Currently eating 3000cals a day. its a shlep for me. Dont like it but worth the bulk.

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Evidence : imgur.com/Z6WciL1

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Have been doing alot of research and I see alot of people have a problem with keeping gains after using Deca. So what I thought off adding is was GW whilst using PCT but i havent heard of anyone using ghrp-6 for the increase hunger after the cycle. Thinking that it will enhance my recovery seemingly im not struggling to eat a lot. I do use concerta daily and its absolutely destroying my hungry.

The idea with ghrp-6 is that when i come off and im bridging with anavar to use ghrp-6 to prevent rapid weightloss. Some have suggested to use HGH during cycle but with my salary blasting a few grand away for hgh im going to use a few months isnt practical.


Any thoughts ?

And I will do the double clomid pct.

Hi, Vlad.

What is your reasoning to want to.use GW with PCT? To increase hunger or appetite? If that is the case I think you are confusing it with MK677 my bro.

So do you intend to take GHRP-6 to stimulate hunger?
I am not entirely sure your specific intention in adding such a compound on top of AAS?

Do you feel you aren't gaining enough mass?
How well do you understand training?
Of course there is a genetic component but I would say drugs should be the finishing touch to an already reasonable regiment. Did you make gains as a natural and how easily could you maintain that lean mass with less volume?
Gains should not be lost even when the volume is reduced by 60%. Of course at extremes of performance things change, but for someone relatively lean and holding average or above muscle mass, if you are losing gains rapidly, drugs aren't the solution as they are masking a flaw in your fundamental groundwork.

IM not currently losing gains im currently gaining. Strength has plateau alot this last 2 years. 2 and a half to be precise.

Starting weight was 55kg.

I think making a solid progression up until 80kg + is considered a well structured groundwork. Im talking about intensity after cycle and PCT that drops. I thought GW the sarm is a viable option. But ill stick to the main idea.

Yes GHRP-6 ive read alot how it stimulates hunger if injected on an empty stomach. Just thought it could be a good idea to keep the macros up when i cant anymore.

Ill work more on my genetic limits then for now. Thanks MPhilosopher.

Cool.
You are a young guy, you should be able to make tremendous gains on AAS alone. I would argue keep it simple and find where your weaknesses are in diet and training.

Old school guys (bar Arnold) never fucked with GH and such compounds and relied on training and food. Each to their own but I think we have to admire that culture of busting your ass off and not using drugs as replacements for basic protocols to reach a goal.

Thanks. The thing is i feel like I might overkill this cycle. I think i might just stick to basic cycles. like low T and Orals maybe ?

I respect the old school physiques. Its what got me in BB the first place. Although my genetics are garbage for it i still enjoy it !

i wont lie this thread is all over the show, but here goes with a semi-educated response.

you got this all ass-backward, you are worried about the drugs first before worrying about the most critical things, food and training.

work on a decent solid routine, 4 days a week is perfect for someone at your level, i am a big believer in higher frequency hence why with my clients i get them to hit everything twice a week.

i cant tell you right now, you haven't even to begin to exhaust the training and diet alone let alone using the drugs you are wanting to use. also you worried about gw and mk and all this and all of that and this peptide and that warm fucking hell man STOP!

here is some advice, if you follow it, that great, if you dont well hey no one listens to free advice.

stick to training FULL body EOD or even Push Pull 2 days on 1 day off 2 days on 1 day off.

focus on hitting 1 exercise all out, compound lift for each body part, maybe 2 for back. of your 3 to 5 working sets, take only 1 or 2 to failure, trust me on this.

focus on pushing new weight numbers week on week, more weight, more reps, more sets, its all good.

eat like a fat kid at a buffet. Sorry to tell you this, all the drugs in the world, and not enough food you are wasting your time!

after 6 months of exhausting eating 3500 to 4000 calories, and focusing on progressing your lifts in the main hypertrophy bracket 6 to 15 reps THEN think of adding in the bare minimum basics for a cycle. 250mg of test cyp split 2x a week for injections. THAT IS IT! sleep 8 to 10 hours a day. sleep is important for growth. i always tell new clients that if your diet and training arent working to start, then all the gear and supplements arent gonna help you either.

supplements and steroids are going to be as useful as a cock flavored lollipop if you don't have the barebones sorted.

use it, don't use it, up to you, most of the time people dont listen to free advice as it is.

i went to colorado in 2016, i got to train at Armbrust gym, the same gym that Phil heath is at, i got to mingle with 27 ifbb pro's 1 of them being heather grace who placed 3rd a the Olympia that year i was there. my mentor is Skip Hill and we got chatting to Dylan Armbrust and Alan watkins (both coaches, alan has gotten 27 ifbb pro cards for FEMALEs alone)

you want to know the biggest thing i had my eyes opened to watching all of those guys and chatting with them for a couple of hours?? FOOD man, they eat like fucking horses, they train hard, and have decent rest periods, and they REST! another guy i saw was Russ Allen, he trains 3x week and is a fucking tank! he competes around the 230lb weight mark, but when i say that guy eats, i thought i can eat, nothing in comparison to these guys. what i am getting at is you need to get the food in if you want to grow, you are lucky with your body type that you wont gain much fat, but man you need to eat!

In 2 years i gained 20kgs.
Thats all im saying. If i went from 57.5kg to morning weight 85kg. (Been chowing my ass off this quarantine) I dont think my diet and training is bad. Not respectably good but not bad. So I do understand that the goal is basically to munch as much as possible. Added another shake to my diet and updated it accordingly. Been reading through old forums

My training - I did myself the favour and bought the different powerlifting books - as it was advised to focus on strength training. Took 5/3/1 made a whole spreadsheet about my workouts and I plan on maybe after 6 months and my gains stop to try the westside barbell philosophy on training.

I will look into the Full Body Workouts and im going to be honest I tried it in the beginning as the new literature popped up on it but i dont enjoy working out like that. Not quite satisfying.

However i will try that too again to see if my body responds better to it now.

I must highlight that rest is a problem for me due to having a job as a freelance programmer and studying.

I'll start PCT as planned after quarantine. TY for you advice.

powerlifting principles and BB principles are quite different, 5 reps and bellow is strength training, not really hypertrophy. look more in the lines of 6 to 15 reps. that's where your bread and butter is.

Thanks for the advice again empire. I don’t know why people are so afraid of eating. I would understand if you’re trying to drop from 120kg to 90kg, but when you’re trying to grow food is your best friend.

many people are too wired on stimulants on a normal day. these days when i take on a client, i cut their stimulant consumption down to nothing more than single cup of coffee a day, all of a sudden their body starts to respond. i had client come to me, 8 cups of coffee a day and only on 1100 calories a day. i got her to cut all the coffee out and went to decaf, the withdrawals were hectic apparently, reverse dieted her out of that nad after getting past 1800 calories a day her body composition changed like night and day. the caffeine was restricting her eating, and she was just wired and not taking in enough food to actually progress. her deadlift went from 65kgs for 4 to 110kg for 11 reps in a space of 8 weeks and she was 58kgs at the time.

food is your friend not your foe.

Update:

I dropped a lot of water weight. Due to not being on supraphysiological amounts of testosterone and I enjoy the dip in weight whilst comparing it to my lifts.

GYM:
Im currently training with a powerlifter friend. (His whole family is into it.) Doing 3 days of Powerlifter training then 3 days of PPL. (Was too much frequency and intensity so I dropped the powerlifting routine to 2 days a week.)

Lifts are pretty solid after doing the powerlifting routine. Having my friend point out weakpoints etc.
Pulled 200kg Sumo yesterday.

Im trying to set up an ideal High frequency Low Volume training routine. (Will keep updated)

Empire made me notice Full Body workouts and I'm seeing it as basically similiar training volume to PPL but just everyday you take 2 exercises from your PPL and do them. Does this aid recovery then ? Can't volume be increased instead ?

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Diet:

I found that 2.8k Cals a day is my ideal spot when studying and not working out. 3.2k on training days.
Im struggling to chug down 200g of protein a day... I know its over kill for my weight (82kg) Thinking of dropping it to 160g. Im shitting bricks. Should I drop the protein amount - I'm starting to smell like tuna...

High Fats after training days combined with refined sugars after powerlifting days cause damn I'm more mentally exhausted after doing powerlifting than physically.

*Caffeine withdrawal is crazy. It helps with diet. But im dying without caffeine when im studying.*

Due to my *smoll* monthly income im eating:
Meats : Chicken, (Shitty quality) Mince, Tuna, and eggs my GF's parents buy for cheap.
Carbs : Bread, Rice, Pasta, Oats, Basically alot of 2 min noodles when my weekly budget is crashing.
Fats : -I'm allergic to tree nuts- Peanut butter, Coconut oil and olive oil(I throw it with alot of shit. Cheap calories if you calculate it with calorie to rand.)

Any advice how to improve my diet ? (NB: I'm a broke student paying for his own degree. Dont be too fancy smancy)

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Gear:

Before everyone sighs and asks why is he still on gear. I'm on a "cruise"/"homemade TRT" due to lockdown. I'll PCT hardcore right after when Squirrel lifts the lockdown.

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why are you differing your post workouts? after hypertrophy days and powerlifting days your post workouts should be the same. i dont see the point in differing them at all.

battling to get in 200g of protein? damn man, need to learn hot to force feed.

for me 200g of protein is 2x 220g chicken breasts, 6 eggs 60g of whey protein and then i have 30g of cheese day. 4 meals, simple. but if you are eating peanut butter and oats that will push the protein content up, which is golden. if you are battling to get in food, add in 20mins of cardio work daily, that spikes hunger.

if you need decent, cost-effective whey protein, check out doorman nutrition, R700 for 3 kg tub.

as much as I love beef, I just don't buy it currently. I have however been eating pork fillet which is minced, and at R60/kg and getting fresh chicken breasts with the skin on for R35 a kg, I use those 2 for added fats in my diet. I would drop coconut oil unless it is pre work out. Try to find a cheaper source of fats, I get mac nut oil at a cheap price and it is way better than extra virgin olive oil, and the price is better too.

Empire made me notice Full Body workouts and I'm seeing it as basically similiar training volume to PPL but just everyday you take 2 exercises from your PPL and do them. Does this aid recovery then ? Can't volume be increased instead ?

I don't understand you here. if you are doing say Push on a Monday, and then powerlifting training the day after, but focusing on your bench, you aren't going to recover too well. There is going to be a hell of a lot of overlap between the hypertrophy work and the strength work.

show us how you have planned your workouts and what you are doing and i can look at it.

get in 200g of protein? damn man.

I'm talking about pure protein. I dont count the peanut butter etc. (I cant each much chicken and beef cause its so damn expensive. I try and do it with eggs.(50% of my protein would be eggs. +/- 10eggs per day)

Monday:Push
Incline bench 3x15
Flat Bench 3x15
French Press 5x8
Face Pulls 100 reps of bands.

Tuesday: PL
Squats - Overload day. weekly split (w1:5x5 / w2:4x6 / w3:5x3 / w4:5x5)
Deadlifts - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm
Bench - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm

Wednesday: Pull
T bar row (i use ropes at the t bar with the barbell) - 5x15/12/10/8/AMRAP
BW Pull ups - 5xAMRAP - if i cant get up with the 3rd ish set i use bands.
Barbel Curl - 3x15
Incline Dumbbel Curls - 3x15

Thursday: PL
Bench - (w1:5x5/w2:4x6 / w3:5x3 / w4:5x5)
Deadlifts - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm
Squats - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm

Friday: REST

Saturday: LEGS
Squats - (w1:5x5/w2:4x6 / w3:5x3 / w4:5x5)
RDL - 50kg AMRAP 3 sets
BW lunges up and down the yard.

Sunday: Rest

why are you differing your post workouts? after hypertrophy days and powerlifting days your post workouts should be the same. i dont see the point in differing them at all.

Ill keep them the same then. Thanks for the advice.

get in 200g of protein? damn man.

I'm talking about pure protein. I dont count the peanut butter etc. (I cant each much chicken and beef cause its so damn expensive. I try and do it with eggs.(50% of my protein would be eggs. +/- 10eggs per day)

only worry about total protein, yes oats isn't a complete protein, but if you are eating oats with eggs, then you got nothing to worry about as eggs will give you the complete amino acid string. Worry about total protein not just pure protein.

Monday:Push
Incline bench 3x15
Flat Bench 3x15
French Press 5x8
Face Pulls 100 reps of bands.

Tuesday: PL
Squats - Overload day. weekly split (w1:5x5 / w2:4x6 / w3:5x3 / w4:5x5)
Deadlifts - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm
Bench - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm

Wednesday: Pull
T bar row (i use ropes at the t bar with the barbell) - 5x15/12/10/8/AMRAP
BW Pull ups - 5xAMRAP - if i cant get up with the 3rd ish set i use bands.
Barbel Curl - 3x15
Incline Dumbbel Curls - 3x15

Thursday: PL
Bench - (w1:5x5/w2:4x6 / w3:5x3 / w4:5x5)
Deadlifts - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm
Squats - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm

Friday: REST

Saturday: LEGS
Squats - (w1:5x5/w2:4x6 / w3:5x3 / w4:5x5)
RDL - 50kg AMRAP 3 sets
BW lunges up and down the yard.

Sunday: Rest

if that was me, i would be worried about recoverability. also why so high on the reps for hypertrophy/ why not keep the between 8 and 15 vs just straight out 15 reps. i see no shoulder work, and if we are being technical, face pulls are not a push, they are a pull. SO have those on a back day. i see tons of overlap, and i question the programming and hear me out on this one.

Squats and Deads before a back day where you are doing Tbar rows which also put tons of strain on the lower back, followed by deads and squats again the next day? that's 3 days of hammering your lower back and glutes that is going to result in injury.

Monday push :
Incline press 3 sets of 8-15
overhead press 2 sets of 8-15
Side raises 2 sets of 8-15
Dips/reverse grip close grip bench pres 3 sets of 12-15

Tuesday
Squat
dead
Bench

Wednesday off!

Thursday

Pull Ups 3 sets stop 1 short of failure for the first 2 sets, and then 1 set AMRAP
incline bench rows (take strain off the lower back) 2 sets of 6 - 12 1 set of 10-15(failure)
single arm landmine rows (less weight and strain on the lower back) 2 sets of 10-15 1 set of 10-15 (failure)
Barbell Curl 2 sets of 6 - 12 1 set of 10-15(failure)
Incline Hammer curls curls 1 6-12 reps 1 set of 8-15 (failure)

Friday: PL
Bench - (w1:5x5/w2:4x6 / w3:5x3 / w4:5x5)
Deadlifts - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm
Squats - 4x6 between 50%-70% 1rm

Saturday Legs :
Saturday: LEGS
Dumbell Bulgarian split squats 3 sets of 8-15 reps
RDL - 3x 6-10 1 sets of 8-12 reps
Barbell lunges
farmers walk

Sunday rest.

you really dont like your lower back, based on what you have been doing, in my opinion at least, for what it is worth.

why are you differing your post workouts? after hypertrophy days and powerlifting days your post workouts should be the same. i dont see the point in differing them at all.

Ill keep them the same then. Thanks for the advice.

Cool