Bloods- Do I have everything covered?

Hi Oupa or 00pump, if you guys could assist me here please, I'd really appreciate it.
Just completed PCT 3 a month ago and doing bloods soon, so started getting quotes for the tests. Below is the best one so far. I'm testing a few extra things like Thyroid and Ferritin etc, and I'd like to know do I have everything vital covered here or am I missing something? Also, if there are tests that I don't need to do now please indicate which as I don't want to spend unnecessary money.

LABORATORY - LANCET ***LIVE 564*** PAGE 1
RUN TIME: 1537 Fee Charge Lookup
RUN USER: PENT,D

Fee Schedule: CASH
Insurance : CASH AT MEDAID TARIFF

Test/Procedure Description Proc Code Charge

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Lab Tests
BUECR UE CREATININE(UREA+ELECT+CREAT 372.00

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CREATININE SERUM 4032B002 69.00
UREA & ELECTROLYTES 4171B001 303.00

BREPLFT LFT (LIVER FUNCTION) 720.00

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ALBUMIN SERUM 3999B001 91.00
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 4001B002 98.00
BILIRUBIN (TOTAL) SERUM 4009B002 91.00
BILIRUBIN CONJUGATED SERUM 4010B001 69.00
TOTAL PROTEIN SERUM 4117B002 59.00
SGOT/AST 4130B002 104.00
SGPT/ALT 4131B002 104.00
GAMMA GT SERUM 4134B002 104.00

BSGPT SGPT/ALT 4131B002 104.00

BSGOT SGOT/AST 4130B002 104.00

BCHOL CHOLESTEROL,ONLY RANDOM serum 4027B001 103.00

BFERR FERRITIN-S 4528B001 237.00

ETHY THYROID PROF.incl TSH/T4 (NO A 4484E000 708.00

EE2 E2 (OESTRADIOL/ESTROGEN) 4503E001 237.00

ETEST TESTOSTERONE (FREE TEST. INDEX 474.00

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TESTOSTERONE 4501E001 237.00
SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOB 4526E001 237.00

EPSA PSA(+Free PSA if TOTAL 2.6-10) 4519E001 240.00

HFBC FBC ONLY 243.00

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1 FULL BLOOD COUNT 3755H000 201.00
2 PLATELET COUNT 3797H000 42.00

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Lab Tests Total 3542.00
Apath Procs Total

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Grand Total 3542.00

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Looks like they have double billed you for ALT and AST tests on that quote. Double check.

Those prices look a bit steep. Pathcare is quite a bit cheaper if you pay cash.

I'd wait a bit longer to do the tests if you want an proper indication of how your HPTA is recovering. A month after a PCT after a long cycle is not long enough for the majority of guys to get their T levels stabilised and back to normal. Especially since you don't take very long off between cycles if I remember correctly.

Muscleaddict Thanks man, I'll check it out for sure. Anything I missed or don't need here? I'll wait for the bloods and see, but planning to start in August.

I don't see a reason for LFT. Is there a reason why you want SHBG? Why FBC and not hb only? Even the GAMMA GT I wouldn't worry about if AST and ALT come back fine, unless you have a previous reading that you wanting to check. And the serum bilirubin? Also albumin? And even alkaline?

I'd add vitamin d, magnesium rbc, homocysteine on ice, uric acid, cortisol and DHEA.

Thanks 00pump, I'll get rid of those and add your suggestions. No previous markers to check against. No idea why they've added all that to the quote. So you'd add vit D, magnesium, red blood cells (wnt the FBC cover that?), homocysteine, uric acid, cortisol and DHEA?

RedHulk wrote: Thanks 00pump, I'll get rid of those and add your suggestions. No previous markers to check against. No idea why they've added all that to the quote. So you'd add vit D, magnesium, red blood cells (wnt the FBC cover that?), homocysteine, uric acid, cortisol and DHEA?

It will cover it but we only really worry about hb only. If you where not starting in August I'd say add the SHBG but thats about it.

Tnx brother. Appreciate it.

Oh I see what's going on. The testosterone profile was a total that covered the SHBG, that's fine you can leave it. I see you did a full liver profile, hence all the added bits, that you don't need to do and just cover ast/alt.

This can all start to get expensive but vitamin D is a must, specially with winter and not getting sun, hb only is normally more of a worry when you on cycle (so you can decide if you want to leave it off), homocysteine can cause allot of problems in the body (when parents have a H gene and parse that down to their kids) so I normally have that done and get treated for it (something I never knew about, until working with an endo), uric acid is a once off unless it comes back high and you need to be treated with puricos, cortisol you can leave off unless you feel you having issues with your adrenals, mine used to be extremely surged and DHEA is a normal check by an endo but mine is always high, but I know many who is low, so again your decision. I would even leave out the magnesium.

I just don't want to make your bucket extremely expensive here.

Appreciate it. Tnx man. Yes initially when I put together the markers I thought I'd need full profiles to cover everything since I rarely do very extensive tests, also because it's so damn pricey. Also didn't want to miss something critical and then have to go back again. But this narrows it down nicely now, thanks. I'll compile a full final list and take that with. I'll do the cortisol, think that's important. Quite a heavy pre user so my caffeine intake is above average.Magnesium and Vit D I'll leave out as i get quite a bit of daylight and also I'm always stocked up on that and lots of ZMA. Thanks again.

Muscleaddict wrote: A month after a PCT after a long cycle is not long enough for the majority of guys to get their T levels stabilised and back to normal. Especially since you don't take very long off between cycles if I remember correctly.

May I ask what the length of these cycles are please ?

00pump wrote: I'd add vitamin d, magnesium rbc, homocysteine on ice, uric acid, cortisol and DHEA.

I'm not even in the same (how to say it in english) "game plan / playing field ?" as you guys are.

But I now regularly check my vit D levels. In 2014 I was diagnosed with very low D, my level was 26 (and it should be at least 60, depending on which doctor you talk to).

So I am permanently on vit D supplements.

My DHEA was also very low when I last tested, and yesterday I went to get my Uric acid tested (the uric acid results I will get next week).

RedHulk, just so you know those prices are quite expensive, for example I pay R76 for ast and the same for alt, estrogen I pay 189, testosterone 189, etc from Lancet. Maybe shop around on prices I might end up saving you quite a bit.

Looks like they’re charging him medical tariff, says so in the text he posted.

00pump wrote: RedHulk, just so you know those prices are quite expensive, for example I pay R76 for ast and the same for alt, estrogen I pay 189, testosterone 189, etc from Lancet. Maybe shop around on prices I might end up saving you quite a bit.

Tnx Brother, i'm definitely going to shop around more or even ask fo reduced rate, cause that's quite a difference in price. Wonder why? Still waiting on Ampath as well.

Colt wrote:

Muscleaddict wrote: A month after a PCT after a long cycle is not long enough for the majority of guys to get their T levels stabilised and back to normal. Especially since you don't take very long off between cycles if I remember correctly.

May I ask what the length of these cycles are please ?

Sure man Colt, my cycles are generally between 12-14 weeks. Longest one being 16 weeks so far. But I have had a hard time recovering with lengthy cycles these past 2 years so I stick to 12 weeks tapering off long esters towards the end and then maintaining with Test prop. My best cycle ever was PGW Super Test with NPP 12 weeks.

RedHulk wrote: Sure man Colt, my cycles are generally between 12-14 weeks. Longest one being 16 weeks so far. But I have had a hard time recovering with lengthy cycles these past 2 years so I stick to 12 weeks tapering off long esters towards the end and then maintaining with Test prop. My best cycle ever was PGW Super Test with NPP 12 weeks.

Awesome. Thank you.