Side effect from TestCyp + Anavar cycle...

Hi everyone -

I embarked on my first cycle with 250mg/wk, of TestCyp divided into 3 injections per week IM of .33cc's per dose. I also take .5mg of Arimidex with each shot to help with E2 side effects. I'm also taking 50mg of Anavar 1x/day (or at least I believe it to be Anavar since I've read so much about fake Anavar out there... this is from DragonPharma).

All was going ok until I started getting sharp and somewhat painful sensations in my shins. Prior to my cycle I was running and doing HIIT sprints over the course of 3 miles daily. Since starting cycle, it has become nearly impossible to run. From what I've read and understand, I'm experiencing Anavar pumps in my shins. Since I want to run and do HIIT sprints, if Anavar is causing this pain (all the way up to not being able to walk, it's that severe), Anavar may be a deal breaker for me, at least for now. Can anyone confirm that their use of Anavar has caused the same issues regarding shin pumps and making it difficult/impossible to run due to these pumps?

Also, does anyone have any info regarding the legitimacy of Dragon Pharma Anavar? Is it fake or is it real?

I'm also wondering if anyone has had any adverse reactions to Anavar regarding jaw pain. 3 days ago, I stopped my cycle due to the shin pumps and chronic jaw tightness and pain and am noticing improvements... able to walk/jog once again and jaw pain is subsiding.

Last question: since this is all brand new to me, maybe I'm on the wrong gear altogether for my goals? Goal is to cut as much as possible and still maintain being able to run + HIIT sprints... I'm open and appreciative of any suggestions/advise anyone might be able to offer. Thank you!

bud you are most likely crashing you E2 with dosing of 1.5mg of Arimidex with 250mg test cypionate.

killing your estrogen will dry out joints and tendons. I would ONLY USE ARIMIDEX IF YOU HAVE SIDES.

it's like taking morphine everyday incase you might hurt yourself, the problem is the morphine is doing more damage.

Adex will tank your cholesterol, so will Anavar to some extent. I would stop taking Arimidex altogether and you will find that your problems may disappear. the only time I personally use adex is when I am bout 2 weeks out from a show to get really really dry.

there are a good few doctors who don't even believe in using Arimidex during trt.

the reason for multiple injections is to control test levels so that you don't have an e2 spike, but you are preventing any e2. remember, estrogen is not the devil.

if dosing 3x a week at 0.33ml a time, use an insulin needle and inject SUB Q.

I agree with Empire. Estrogen is your friend if you want to stay healthy especially when your testosterone level is higher than normal. Cut the arimidex completely, it's not needed. People who recommend using it at such low doses of test are either preparing for a show or don't know what they are talking about.

As an example: My E2 is 102 pmol/L this is without an AI and I am currently on my first cycle of 300-400mg test per week.

I understand you are cutting and using an AI will help with water weight however the water weight from Test is minimal at your dose and you don't want to jeopardize your health for at most a kilogram of water weight.

However, not everyone is the same and you may experience symptoms of high E2 at lower serum levels than others. I'd wait a month for your body to first acclimatize to the new E2 levels and then proceed from there. Most individuals I know do have symptoms of high E2 in their first cycle but these symptoms subside eventually.

#EstrogenLivesMatter :lol:

@Empire @LesDoctor Prior to using Arimidex, I had severe swelling and bloating issues from the TestCyp alone even with the spacing out the dose over a few injections per week. I gained 4.5lbs. of water weight practically overnight. I had these problems for an entire month and they didn't go away or subside on their own. I had to stop altogether until I got Arimidex. With Arimidex I have zero bloating issues. I'm more than willing to stop the Arimidex and maybe now I can.

Also, I have no joint pain. The only pain I have is in my shins due to running with Anavar shin pumps (at least I believe is what's going on).

So, I hear you loud and clear re E2 and estrogen being necessary but can you speak to my question re Anavar and shin pumps?

Thanks very much for helping out!

I HAVE to take an AI on TRT 0.5 twice a week at minimum, just no two ways around it and have no side effects what so ever, I blow up without it, face, body, everywhere.

00pump wrote: I HAVE to take an AI on TRT 0.5 twice a week at minimum, just no two ways around it and have no side effects what so ever, I blow up without it, face, body, everywhere.

I'm afraid I'm the same. I use it sparingly and sometimes only use .25mg instead of .5mg. I look like a water balloon if I don't use it. Maybe that will change over time.

jnthn73 wrote:

00pump wrote: I HAVE to take an AI on TRT 0.5 twice a week at minimum, just no two ways around it and have no side effects what so ever, I blow up without it, face, body, everywhere.

I'm afraid I'm the same. I use it sparingly and sometimes only use .25mg instead of .5mg. I look like a water balloon if I don't use it. Maybe that will change over time.

Maybe but an e2 blood test is so cheap, no need for guessing.

my thought process is here, why not try something a little different, why not add in Masteron with your test, instead of the Arimidex, that will have enough of a suppressing effect on e2. 100mg Masteron enanthate would be perfect in my opinion, will also lower SHBG and free up more test.

you could also lower your testosterone dosing down to 140mg per week and use something like equi at 200mg with that. Less estrogenic side effects.

I have been picking LesDoctor's brain recently with a lot of things regarding testosterone and estrogen and iron in the blood. so it is something we spoke about actually was having raised estrogen. His main concern was the damage to Cholesterol that comes with AI's.

Empire wrote: my thought process is here, why not try something a little different, why not add in Masteron with your test, instead of the Arimidex, that will have enough of a suppressing effect on e2. 100mg Masteron enanthate would be perfect in my opinion, will also lower SHBG and free up more test.

you could also lower your testosterone dosing down to 140mg per week and use something like equi at 200mg with that. Less estrogenic side effects.

I have been picking LesDoctor's brain recently with a lot of things regarding testosterone and estrogen and iron in the blood. so it is something we spoke about actually was having raised estrogen. His main concern was the damage to Cholesterol that comes with AI's.

Its purely a case by case basis. My endo is the top in the country and has no problem with low doses of Arimidex he said the only time he notices liver enzymes to rise up and cholesterol to be hampered is when he has patience requiring 1mg daily, not 0.5 twice a week when the bloods clearly show e2 is elevated. Masteron does not move my e2 levels at all, I personally believe it has little to no effect on e2 levels when they highly elevated. I would love to see blood results from someone with high e2 on testosterone then start adding Masteron and seeing a significant drop in the following up bloods.

jnthn73 is describing classic Anavar side effects for the style of training he is doing.

look I think with low dose testosterone I feel Masteron can make a great difference, when you start getting up there in doses I agree it won't do much for e2. I know a few coaches who don't use an AI but have Masteron in every cycle at 200mg, but then again these guys don't go much over 300mg of test depending on dosing. I have seen 127kg 10% BB use 400mg test e, 200mg Masteron and 350mg Anavar a week and get shredded for the show, and I mean shredded.

But if you are getting too many e2 side effects, it could just mean the test dosing is too high.

I do agree it is completely individual, and I know your case with your trt, etc as we have shared thoughts many times on that but I think maybe for a lot of people, the majority of them just use too much? who knows.

and I agree there are classic var symptoms without a doubt.

Empire wrote: look I think with low dose testosterone I feel Masteron can make a great difference, when you start getting up there in doses I agree it won't do much for e2. I know a few coaches who don't use an AI but have Masteron in every cycle at 200mg, but then again these guys don't go much over 300mg of test depending on dosing. I have seen 127kg 10% BB use 400mg test e, 200mg Masteron and 350mg Anavar a week and get shredded for the show, and I mean shredded.

But if you are getting too many e2 side effects, it could just mean the test dosing is too high.

I do agree it is completely individual, and I know your case with your trt, etc as we have shared thoughts many times on that but I think maybe for a lot of people, the majority of them just use too much? who knows.

and I agree there are classic var symptoms without a doubt.

You spot on with regards to if you don't need it don't take it for the sake of taking it. And why not better enhance your cycle with the money you spend on an AI when you could add an anabolic agent like masteron instead. And you going to look far more superior on Test and Masteron if your not aromatising than on Test and an AI. :lol:

Empire wrote: I have seen 127kg 10% BB use 400mg test e, 200mg Masteron and 350mg Anavar a week and get shredded for the show, and I mean shredded.

Now that oke is properly dialed into his body. Do you know how many calories he was consuming 10/12 weeks out?

4500 to start, on 300g of protein, balance carbs and then low fat, lowest days he went down to was 2400. so it was quite fun to watch.

Empire wrote: 4500 to start, on 300g of protein, balance carbs and then low fat, lowest days he went down to was 2400. so it was quite fun to watch.

Incredible

Thanks fellas... I appreciate the support and insight!