How did your intermittent cycle compare?

Howzit guys. 29 yrs old, trained consistentlyish for 9 years, eat 5 times a day, no soy boy, made some gainz but not enough.

1st off it's decent to finally find a site like this and find answers to questions I can't word to father Google.

(Not counting that crappy Dbol cycle in gr12 without PCT) ive done 3 basic cycles of test E, front load stacked 1 month with Var the last time but in all 3 cases progression stopped around week 8. Upped dose to 750mg previously for the final 4 but only estrogen, bloating and acne came as a result on.5mg Adex every other day (probably should of done 1mg every day).

I'm amped to ramp it up. Superdrol for those final 4 weeks where test alone isn't doing shit.

Anyone recommend this? I feel great and without sides on 500mg test without an AI. So, would I need an AI if I added superdrol @15mg per day on top in the final month? Or just take 20mg Nolva per day?

What do you think? Is 15mg enough? What else would you guys take?
Thanks

JuiCorE wrote: Howzit guys. 29 yrs old, trained consistentlyish for 9 years, eat 5 times a day, no soy boy, made some gainz but not enough.

1st off it's decent to finally find a site like this and find answers to questions I can't word to father Google.

(Not counting that crappy Dbol cycle in gr12 without PCT) ive done 3 basic cycles of test E, front load stacked 1 month with Var the last time but in all 3 cases progression stopped around week 8. Upped dose to 750mg previously for the final 4 but only estrogen, bloating and acne came as a result on.5mg Adex every other day (probably should of done 1mg every day).

I'm amped to ramp it up. Superdrol for those final 4 weeks where test alone isn't doing shit.

Anyone recommend this? I feel great and without sides on 500mg test without an AI. So, would I need an AI if I added superdrol @15mg per day on top in the final month? Or just take 20mg Nolva per day?

What do you think? Is 15mg enough? What else would you guys take?
Thanks

That is a lot of gear already. Why superdrol? The toxicity alone, for 4 weeks, is an issue.
You could do that but why not use a DHT derivative (oral or injectable)?

There are also longer esters you can run (for slightly longer), if you are ok with suppressing your HPTA axis significantly. Deca and equipoise being 2 options.

I would go with Winstrol. At the end of a cycle you want to see your lean gains without water retention. Superdrol does make you look more pumped and you hold more muscle glycogen, but with winstrol you hold less water and see your muscle striations and vascularity much better. Recovery after Superdrol takes longer as well, and Superdrol gyno is quite common. AI's don't always do the job. I get puffy nipples from it even on low dose test. Superdrol is best for kickstarting a cycle, not at the end.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I wanted to use SD as it has no conversion. I had the common belief that DHT dirivitives convert to estrogen but see now that DHT compounds had the opposite reaction at the estrogen receptor and could potentially be used as a serm.

I'd prefer to do a cycle without an AI. was thinking of even going to 400mgs test and adding a second compound as I see test is great but not the be all.

That being said maybe EQ in the final month? Is something like that done? Not stoked to blast 2 compounds but see that I should end on something else to free up some of the test that just seems to hover around.

I'll 5000iu HCG before starting my pct. 40/40/20/10 Nolva.im happy with this. Bounced back quickly and kept my gains minus <5kg of glycogen.

Yeah I'm not amped for puffy nipples. In your experience did you continue to gain ending on winstrol? And if you had to add an injectable toward the end to see gains continue Which would it be? Superdrol is out

Dude just run 2 injectables from the get go. You've ran 750mg test already. 400mg test is great and even better if coupled with another injectable to add to its strength with minimal side effects. two things to consider

1. what your goal is

2. what your budget is

seeing that you want to run sdrol and equi it looks like you want to gain more muscle but without the heavy side effects. So since muscle gain is the main priority its best to stack injectables that are highly tissue selective compounds such as eq/primo. Good on you for dropping the test dose and choosing not to use an a.i. they damage your lipids.you'll be fine with using the 2 injectables and throw in an oral when you start to plateu... that being said, if the boost you need is to get stronger, then throw in sdrol or "maybe" anadrol but be careful with it, use only when necessary. If you're looking to get a harder dryer look,then anavar or winstrol for the last 4 to 6 weeks... all of the orals have muscle building / sparing qualities so there's not much in it to compare on that basis imo..... more about whether you care about looking dry and shredded or just slightly lean but full. personally i never suffered with my nipples on superdrol but everyones different . for something in between,maybe consider tbol?

Thanks 456.

Reason for not wanting to run an injectable like EQ or deca is that they mostly take forever to get into the system and yes I'm going the budget route.

My goal is to just squeeze that little extra out of the test only cycle where homeostasis kicks in. Sick gains from test in the first 2 months.

My thinking is:

Tren - even in small doses not keen on, my receptors are still fresh.

Deca - needs a long cycle, bloating with multiple vials.

EQ - ester takes too long and multi vials.

Mast E - POSSIBLY good but I'd run 300mgs for the final 6 weeks and will it be enough stacked on 500 test to continue gains? I know it's used for contest prep and only adds size @ 500-700mg, again multiple vials.

Tbol - POSSIBLE as well for that final month @ 30-45mg, along with liver support. This offers quick results and gains are dry.

Final thoughts:

I'll run sustanon for my test this time. Maybe test E is too predictable.

Test runs for 11 weeks, tbol ends 6 day after last pin.

HCG @750iux2,500x6,250x2 start 17 days after last pin due to decanoate ester of 150mg/ml.

1-5. test 400
6-8. test 500
9. test 500 / tbol 30 / nolva 10eod
10. test 500 / tbol 30 / nolva 10eod
11. test 500 / tbol 30 / nolva 10eod
12. tbol 30 end Thurs
13. Off                                    
14. HCG 750iu / 500iu
15. HCG 500iu / 250iu /  nolva 40 T-S
16. nolva 40
17. nolva 40 / nolva 20 T-S
18. nolva 20
19. nolva 20

JuiCorE wrote: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I wanted to use SD as it has no conversion. I had the common belief that DHT dirivitives convert to estrogen but see now that DHT compounds had the opposite reaction at the estrogen receptor and could potentially be used as a serm.

I'd prefer to do a cycle without an AI. was thinking of even going to 400mgs test and adding a second compound as I see test is great but not the be all.

That being said maybe EQ in the final month? Is something like that done? Not stoked to blast 2 compounds but see that I should end on something else to free up some of the test that just seems to hover around.

I'll 5000iu HCG before starting my pct. 40/40/20/10 Nolva.im happy with this. Bounced back quickly and kept my gains minus <5kg of glycogen.

Superdrol seems to have high affinity of binding to E2 receptors, this is a possible explanation of guys with crashed E still having strange gyno symptoms on superdrol.

Also the anti E2 effects are hugely overstated.
Free more T and there is more T to convert to E2 or even E1 which people miss.
The advice of using mesterolone or similar as an AI replacement is something very odd.