UPA Test C250

Hi recently discovered this website and I want some advice. 

Stats:
Age: 21 
Height: 5"10
Weight: 169.2lbs 

I've been training for 4 years now. Ever since I was 17. I have a decent physique. I'm lean and have decent size. I'm 12% bf. I  have been natural  my whole life. But I want to take my physique to the next level. Since I already look decent I'd like to see how I'd look on gear. 

I want to take test cyp 250mg every week. I was thinking of doing injection twice a week to keep blood levels stable. My only issue is if I take 1ml of the test on Monday and Thursday won't that equal 500mg of test a week.  So I was thinking if I do 0.5ml Monday and Thursday another 0.5 ml of the test cyp will that equal 250mg? Also I will be using 25 gauge needle. As I read it is the best to do injections or was I misinformed. 

Also I will be taking 25mg of proviron a day while on cycle to prevent gyno from forming and I have Nolvadex on hand if gyno does start forming. I am taking proviron as a precaution because I think I am sensitive to gyno as I had it as a teen but it went away on it's own. 

Please your advice on my cycle plan would highly be appreciated. Plan on running 12 week cycle.  Thank you

Before jumping on a cycle, Have a look at your training and diet. See if you can step up on that.

If you are missing something in either of those two, you wont get the full benefit of the cycle.

Plus , youre still young, Your test levels should be decent already, Have you had some bloodwork done?

Post pics.

This cycle does not sound potent enough for a first cycle, but luckily for you I doubt you are a candidate for a cycle yet.

At 76kgs your dosing at 500mg per week is close to 6.5mg of testosterone which in my opinion, is way too high.

And as everyone else has reiterated, especially obelix, post up more stats, training program including sets and reps and weights used. The more detail the better.

Your nutritional intake: protein carbs and fats, total calories.

Your sleep cycle : how many hours a night you sleep.

How much cardio you are doing daily.

Also proviron isn't going to save you from gyno. It doesn't stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen, and if you are getting gyno from testosterone converting to estrogen, your total test dosing it too high, hence why I suggest setting your doses based on body weight, not on fictitious things thrown out there on general dosing.

I'm taking in 250mg test a week at 90kgs pretty peeled to the bone for a show, yet you want to take double that at 76kgs? Doesn't work.

Same thing when you walk into a doctor's office for an anti biotic for bronchitis. They put you on a scale, and they decide a dose for you based on that. A 130kg male is going to need a shit load more anti biotic than say a 53kg 1.5m tall female who both have bronchitis.

Nutrition, training volume and intensity, and gear intake are all very much the same.

You taking in the calories I would need to grow would just make you fat. But me taking in the calories you need would make me loose weight.. everything is individually mapped out based on your bodyweight and that is what guys like I do for a living when doing coaching, is we map this all out and figure out what you can handle, where you need changes, and how we can best get you to perform..

Thanks for response. I am not planning on taking 500mg of test. My plan is to take 250mg of test cyp a week. Two injections to every week to keep blood levels stable. Also would taking 0.5 mg of arimidex everyday be a good idea? I only have access to blood testing next week to check my estrogen and total test next week. But I want to take arimidex to be safe as I don't want to develop gyno and start taking it when it is too late.

Thanks for response. Yes my diet and training is on point. That is why I want to cycle to take my physique to the next level. If all goes well with my cycle. Then I will compete in a local/amateur show. I have done blood work on my HDL Cholesterol but not total test or estrogen levels. Am planning on doing that test next week .

Thanks for the response. How do I post pics on the forum? And what do you mean it is not potent enough. I have never touched gear? Do you think I should add an oral to kick start the cycle?

Ok you clearly aren't listening to us.

You say your diet and training is on point, so show us..

If you use the right amount of testosterone, you will not need arimadex. Arimadex is used to combat excess estrogen, which happens when you take too much test. So if you don't take too much test, you won't have estrogen based side effect, and won't need to use arimadex.

Like burning yourself on a pan, and cos you set it to high, and then constantly taking pain killers cos you keep on burning yourself.

So if you don't over do the heat, you won't need to take pain killers all the time.

Testosterone shouldn't need to be over a certain mg dose per kg. And you are way too high at 500mg.

No one said it's not potent enough. I'm saying the way you are doing it means you are going to need to take drugs to combat side effects, that don't promote growth, where you could use other substances at lower doses, and get more growth.

I normally just host the images on Imgur, its free,

Then you can post the links here, or play around with the Image buttons, since the forum upgrade, I havent tried tbh.

Post a "One day in the life of" type post,

eg, wake up at 4:30am, eat first breakfast,
3 eggs, 2 toast, one kg bacon

Gym from 5-7am, Upper body, 
Tricep pushdowns 50kg's for 10 reps, 3 sets
Hammer curls 75kg for 2 reps, 5 sets
close grip decline bench 1 set 80kgs 
etc
2nd breakfast 
protein shake (2 scoops usn) and 3 slim slabs
work 8am to 5pm
etc etc etc

Try to give a few workouts that you do, If you arent jotting them down and tracking progress, say so. Its a forum for advice. No ones going to shut you down for doing something "wrong", youre asking advice so already better than most people out there.

Struggling to load pictures. When I press action it gives me two options. Reply and quote.  So I really can't show you but my diet and is training is on point. At the moment I am eating in a maintenance. Basically main gaining. I eat 2.6k calories to maintain my current weight. I will slowly start to increase calories to 2.8k calories when the test starts to peak around the third week for lean bulking purposes. 

How do I know if I am taking too much test? Will I have to wait and see if I get any estrogenic side effects? Or will I have to do bloodwork every week.  I am currently splitting my dose. 125mg on Monday and another 125mg on Thursday which is a total of 250mg.  Please your advice will be highly appreciated as I have done research and they are so many different articles out there. Some websites claim it is advisable to take an AI for precaution incase estrogenic side effects occur. This is because it will be to late to combat them when you discover them. Other websites state that you should only take an AI when experiencing high estrogenic effects. So not sure if I should take as precaution or wait. Please your help will be appreciated. Thanks.
 

just_your_average_gym_bro wrote:

Struggling to load pictures. When I press action it gives me two options. Reply and quote.  So I really can't show you but my diet and is training is on point. At the moment I am eating in a maintenance. Basically main gaining. I eat 2.6k calories to maintain my current weight. I will slowly start to increase calories to 2.8k calories when the test starts to peak around the third week for lean bulking purposes. 
 

so why cant you show your diet and training is on point? list your whole workout, and what reps sets, and weights did. simple as that. how do you show us what your daily food intake is... its not rocket science here. 2800 by week 3, why is week 3 significant? you could be growing without the test if your calories were there already and your training was on point, but magically you can't show us. so what do we know? I CAN ALREADY SAY IF YOU CANT SHOW US EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE EATING AND MACRO BREAKDOWN AND TRAINING BREAKDOWN, THEY ARENT ON POINT.

How do I know if I am taking too much test? Will I have to wait and see if I get any estrogenic side effects? Or will I have to do bloodwork every week.  I am currently splitting my dose. 125mg on Monday and another 125mg on Thursday which is a total of 250mg.  Please your advice will be highly appreciated as I have done research and they are so many different articles out there. Some websites claim it is advisable to take an AI for precaution incase estrogenic side effects occur. This is because it will be to late to combat them when you discover them. Other websites state that you should only take an AI when experiencing high estrogenic effects. So not sure if I should take as precaution or wait. Please your help will be appreciated. Thanks.
 

Once you go over a certain MG per KG dose, you get estrogenic side effects. this gets worse with the more body fat you have as the aromatase enzyme is made in the fat cells.  so if for example, if you keep your testosterone at a decent level (3mg per kg is what I have been touting based on all the research and all the really intelligent people I give my money to in order to be on their paid members sites etc) you should not have estrogenic side effects. HIGH ESTROGEN IS AN EFFECT OF HIGH TESTOSTERONE, SO IF YOU WANT LOWER ESTROGEN JUST USE LESS TESTOSTERONE, Fill in the gap of the mg dosing, with another substance that is anabolic that does not convert to estrogen, say such as MASTERON, PRIMOBOLAN, ANAVAR... and use a substance that can actually control estrogen and give you muscle gains, such as masteron. Oh wait? you mean that i can spend money on another anabolic that can lower estrogen, raise free test, increase protein expression, drive neurological cascades, and aid contractile force that does the same job as arimadex? why yes you can, but you've done your research. but what are the pros and cons of using beloved adex for estrogen control? funny you ask, they can be decreased sex drive, joint and tendon injuries, tanked blood lipid profile, and depression to name a few... 

so by all means dont give us any much information as possible, go for your test dosing, and adex and contact us in 6 weeks when you are depressed and cant get a woody, cos remember we did ask you for more information, but you cant really say.

I just want to thank you for taking your time to respond. This is my last reasonse. I understand what you are saying. I will not take the AI. I will reduce test if I have any estrogen side effects. I will use the 3mg to kg ratio. So I think it will be fine. Not really going to add other compounds. I just want to keep this cycle simple. But thanks .
I will try uploading before and after pictures on forum after cycle.

3mg per kg is the base dose for a cycle.

you asked if you should take an oral in one of the previous posts, but now you don't want to take additional compounds. it's a little roundabout isn't it?

a good place for a cycle for starting is a total of 5mg per kg. so taking something like Anavar to make up the 2mg per kg on weekly basis over the time of the course would be a great addition.

what you need to get from you is more information and you very cagey with this. The more data we have the more effective we can make your experience. its as simple as that.

if you gave me your diet i would tell you how to make it better, if you gave me your daily training i could show you how to make it better. We are here to help you, not tell you where you are doing things wrong.

so for someone who is 76kgs, wanting to get to 83kgs 250mg of test a week is perfect. the, taking 15-30mg of Anavar a day for the cycle length would make the cycle a great cycle. The rule of orals is not to exceed your body weight in mg per day for longer than your body weight in days. eg don't do more than 76mg per day for 76days. so taking 15-20mg per day for the 12 weeks is going to be more than adequate.

Please tell me something. 
I have proviron on hand. 
Would it be advisable to take it at 50mg to enhance the cycle or would it be a waste of a cycle. Will it end up crashing my estrogen?
I want to take to make water retention less. I am dosing test 125mg twice a week.
 

You haven't read, or rather you aren't listening to what Empire is asking...
You're asking about tweaking your cycle with Proviron whilst getting your training and diet dialled in is way more critical and will be much more beneficial. The Proviron is just a bonus. But you can take all the Proviron in the world, if training and diet isn't on point, you're wasting time and money.

Thanks for input but that's what you guys don't understand. My diet and training are completely fine. My diet is 100% on point. Yes some days I might go over my calories but I can work on that. My training is also 100% as it got me to where I am today. Yes I can improve on it and make small changes but overall it is fine. I have an above average physique compared to the average person. Not trying to be cocky or ignorant. 

All I want is advise on gear cause I am new to gear. 

Not training or dieting because I have been doing that for a while now and I know what I am doing. Trust me my diet and training are alright. 

And please I don't want to come off as someone who doesn't listen. I just feel like you guys are not understanding where I am coming from. I honestly know what I am doing when I train and diet.

After doing this for 17 years, I can tell you my training also needed work and more research into it and ammendments and you can see on my contest prep thread, I've done massive changes in a year..

Be wary of the person who is not willing to admit they don't know certain answers, but I've been coaching people for 15 years and offered to look over your stuff multiple times. And if you don't want to take the offer cos you know better than so be it..

Research proviron MOA(mechanism of action.) It doesn't stop the aromataze process and tank circulating estrogen. What it does do is raise free test by lowering shbg..shbg is not only related to testosterone, it's also related to e1,e2,e3 (different forms of estrogen) personally i find it an inferior option to masteron as it gives very little to no anabolic effects, but for the money you have spent on it, you could have done masteron and gotten added anabolic benefit.

Also you are injecting a substance with a 8-10day half life, just inject 1ml a week once off.

ibb.co/dJzKtm2

As you can see. 17 years in, still learning more and more.

just_your_average_gym_bro wrote:

Thanks for input but that's what you guys don't understand. My diet and training are completely fine. My diet is 100% on point. Yes some days I might go over my calories but I can work on that. My training is also 100% as it got me to where I am today. Yes I can improve on it and make small changes but overall it is fine. I have an above average physique compared to the average person. Not trying to be cocky or ignorant. 

All I want is advise on gear cause I am new to gear. 

Not training or dieting because I have been doing that for a while now and I know what I am doing. Trust me my diet and training are alright. 

And please I don't want to come off as someone who doesn't listen. I just feel like you guys are not understanding where I am coming from. I honestly know what I am doing when I train and diet.
 

Then if your diet and training are on point you will grow very nicely on 250mg/week but you can expect to wait 5-6 weeks to really feel it. That can be frustrating. I would push it to 300mg/week if you have no notable side effects after a month. Shouldn't have need for an AI at 250-300mg/week.

As much as I agree with you MA he probably could go 300mg, remember he is less than 80kgs. So at 250mg test he has more than enough test for someone 82kgs.

I think he would get far better results of working out 5mg per kg and making the balance up with another product in there for the course outline. For example having 150mg of anavar per week or even npp or masteron would give him a better look than just the 300mg of test.

Testosterone by definition is not an anabolic steroid.

noun: testosterone
a steroid hormone that stimulates development of male secondary sexual characteristics, produced mainly in the testes, but also in the ovaries and adrenal cortex.

Anabolic steroid:
noun
a synthetic steroid hormone which resembles testosterone in promoting the growth of muscle. Such hormones are used medicinally to treat some forms of weight loss and (illegally) by some athletes and sports players to enhance physical performance.

So he is covering his own androgen levels and normal function, but for extra growth and protein expression, another compound would be more ideal

Thanks for advice. I am currently on my third week. I will keep it at 250mg at the moment. Haven't noticed any side effects as of yet. No gyno and no acne. Only thing I have noticed is testicle shrinkage, slight improvement in recovery and also weight gain but I think that is because I have increased my calories as I am lean bulking. I wont up the dose. I will wait until the end of September. If I don't see any noticeable  changes I will add an oral. But I have a good feeling I will see some change.

Thanks. I think I will keep my cycle as just test only at 250mg a week just to see how my body responds. At the end pf September I might add VAR at 30MG a day. Depending on how I look and feel. 

Also seeing this transformation now. Very inspirational. Hoping I can look like that one day.  It is a very impressive physique. Can just imagine the hard work that went into getting it.. Congrats on your accomplishments

just_your_average_gym_bro wrote:

Also seeing this transformation now. Very inspirational. Hoping I can look like that one day.  It is a very impressive physique. Can just imagine the hard work that went into getting it.. Congrats on your accomplishments
 

yet i asked you about your diet and training to assist you to get the best results and you passed on the offer, as I said in previous posts, we are here to try and get the best results for you without being a rudderless ship.