Starting 1st cycle

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28 Feb 2008 15:46 #1403 by Evil Jared
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Hey guys

I'm starting my first cycle tomorrow!Pretty amped!Doing Sustanon 250mg per week for 8 weeks, dianabol for first 3 weeks at 40mg per day then again for last 2 weeks. Not sure wether to use proviron or nolvadex? so many different articles on both... What do you guys think? when is the best time to take the anti-estrogens?is it better to inject at night or during the day?

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28 Feb 2008 16:02 #1405 by Netro
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I would drop the d-bol in the last 3 weeks and swop for oral winny at a low dose, it will make your gains in the last 3 weeks much better as it frees test better and makes the AAS more effective. I would definately use the nolva as proviron has anti-estrogenic properties, but kessar and so on are much better and far supperior. You can still use proviron, but more to drop water than an anti-e. I personally inject Sundays in the afternoon, no particular reason, just works best for me. I would also recommend sus at 500 and you can then split the shots to 2 a week and use the shorter esters better.

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28 Feb 2008 18:54 #1420 by Doctari
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Depending on how sensitive you are and how high dose of Test you are going to use, the oestrogen really starts only by week 3 about. Remember you want to grow and oestrogen is neccessary for growth, but in the right amount. Suppressing it too early, will diminish your gain potential. This is what I will suggest:
start your cycle and be on the lookout for sore nipples. The moment you start feeling some discomfort, add in the Nolva. Continue then until your PCT is finished. Start your Proviron towards the end of your cycle, say the last 2 weeks and continue until end of PCT.

Now, I know what the other posters are going to shout: But Doc, you said to use Nolva from day 1! Remember guys, this is his first cycle. The biggest gains are usually from you first cycle. He does not have bitch titties yet! If you even once had gynae, it tends to re-visit you much earlier on in subsequent AAS cycles - then, knowing you are going to suffer, you start preventing it by using low dose Nolva. As the cycle progesses, then increase the Nolva dose.
By the time you are a seasoned user, most of us use high doses AAS's that easily aromatize early on in our cycles - hence the earlier commencement of Nolva.

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