Sample cycle query

I was looking at the "beginner bulking cycle" in sample cycles.
I was thinking, what would happen if you hade to:

Swop Decca for Equipoise(200mg for 9 weeks)?
and
Start the Letrozol earlier?

Also, why was Clomid chosen over Novadex (As wouldn't Novadex work better with HCG)?

I'm still new to this and been looking for a long time for a good first cycle. I want to bulk up as I weigh 63kg at 1.74.

Would this cycle with changes or not be a good decision? I want the best...

I'v been gyming on and off for 3 years "on for the last year" have a good diet (Our cheff and his wife are both personal trainers at our res. They make us eat "ordentelik")and am 22 years old with 17% bodyfat...

Thanks

Hey bud

Like yourself, im also new to all of this and trying my best to gain as much knowledge as possible. So far this site has been the MOST informative, so we're lucky to have it! I could be wrong, but i think the use of Clomid and not Nolvadex is due to the Deca in the cycle. From what ive read, the Nolvadex could flare up the progesterone (spelling?) sides of the Deca.
Like i said, my head is spinning with all the info im taking in....baby steps!! Im sure the pro's on the site will help you out asap.

Thanks man Mr M. suppose we'll see one another around then.

But yeah. Back on the post.....
At 22, if I cycle, how great is the chance my HTPA will not return full considering this cycle?

This has been the best site...but I understand the babysteps...where you from?

To give my opinion on HTPA recovery...it should return fully considering YOU DO YOUR PCT CORRECTLY. As im sure you've read on many of the forums, its real easy to take the gear...but more important to do the PCT. If not done obviously you'll be looking at loss of gains...and morale! But hey, its all about knowledge. And ive got lots to learn...

When im home, im in the west coast area....but i do contract work outside RSA.

I will respond to both your threads simultaneously

No#1
You need to adjust your attitude. By asking how much you will gain on gear without any serious training you are clearly stating that you are not willing to train hard enough. You first need to learn how to train off cycle before considering to go on cycle.

No#2
You are only 63kg. You can still grow and define your calves and other body parts fairly easily without gear. If you are wondering why you have not grown your calves previously simply see point number one.

No#3
You said you've seen a bit of change in your calves not being on cycle. Now your getting even more complicated... If your still growing fine, why cycle?

Key words for the next few months:
Training
Nutrition
Sleep (I noticed you were up very late last night, and yes that means I was up late to )

But yeah, could you still help with the question I posted about the cycle? I wanted to know if with good PTC if my HTPA would return???


Cuz I got another...
I saw elswhere on the site the pro's saying it is bad to take Dianabol alone (25 mg a day) for 6 weeks even with PTC. Why? I saw others saying that thay gained much (or were they just bloated???)

For Inja:
I saw you said you had a part of a poastgrad in biochem? I'm interested in all this (even if i don't use if for a while)as im a Bsc student. I started biochem and physology at varsity second yr

Seth wrote:

For Inja:
I saw you said you had a part of a poastgrad in biochem? I'm interested in all this (even if i don't use if for a while)as im a Bsc student. I started biochem and physology at varsity second yr

A BSc alone is useless. If u plan to go overseas u at least need a honours because a four year BSc overseas is the equivalent to a three year BSc with honours here. I recommend continuing with ur BSc and do ur honours as well. You learn so much in ur BSc honours year, more than what u learn in ur undergrad years because undergrad is mostly theory i.e. lectures but honours is where u gain the experience and you get ur own project. I did my honours last year in molecular and cell biology and it was worth more to me than my undergrad years.

Inja...
I think i might be a misunderstanding caused from my behalf...

1]
When I said off cycle, I mean not "on cycle" thats why i'm looking for a first time cycle.

I understand what you mean about the "attitude"
In the previouse thread i said (cut and paste),"How effective are anabolic steroids at helping overcome this difficulty???
And still, obviously with seriouse training, what could one expect on average???"

The exras are there for extra. You would't want to do to Mac D's and order a plate of tamato suace and no chips... I was just wondering what the help would be. Not being lazy.

2]
Because iv been training for the last 3 years withou gear, I saw a change in my calve size without the help of gear....so yeah, again, was wondering what the help would be...

Thanks for you help again!
Oh, and yeah! It was quite late;)

5 steps for you bro:

Step 1. Learn how to train hard and heavy

Step 2. Learn how to eat properly and in right amounts to grow

Step 3. Read for a few months about gear and PCT. Read about other ppl 's experiences and fuk ups

Step 4. Write out and prepare a whole cycle.

Step 5. GET BIG

Shweet bro.
Bottom line is you're not ready for steroids.
The truth is you really can do some amazing work with your body by adapting your training and nutrition. Trust me. And you will thank yourself in the long run.

You also haven't done enough research on anabolics. Sure this is a good place to start but you need to do more reading on the net of your own...

One day when you are ready for gear your first cycle will be long ester test for 8-12 weeks (200mg-500mg), after which you might run a tamoxifen only PCT for 4-6 weeks. You might choose to add in come HCG to be doubly sure your balls will come back. From this is your diet and training are spot on you will gain a minimum of 6 lean hard kilos. Of these your calves will probably grow the least.

Eat Train Eat Shit Eat Sleep Repeat.

Yeah. I knew i should give it more time.....I will admit, I was kinda in self denial. Just, after seeing this side, it makes USN look like turd:dry: . And you don't wana go back...

In the long run it will be better? I can understand for the health reasons but is there anything else to know why?


Oh, yeah! I want to know this : What would of happend if I had started that cycle or a cycle now? It was kinda the bottom line of whats i was trying to find out... would I stuff up my natural potential or become disproportionate?
when do you know when you really ready???

Thanks again for the help! Prob saved me alot of time money and unessesary kak for now. Still wana ask Qs tho:lol:

seth... eat,eat,eat and then force feed yourself... u cant grow unless u feed yourself... u say u have a good diet,email it to me and i will probably show u that u are far from eating the right amount,guys dont realise how much they have to eat in order to grow,i mean look at jackrabbit1 he thought he was eating a fair amount and well i made him force down quite a bit more food and he says he battles to get it down... Ziazas is a big chap,i have him eating close on 4000calories to grow and thats still mild but yet he is growing...

Seth wrote:

What would of happend if I had started that cycle or a cycle now? It was kinda the bottom line of whats i was trying to find out... would I stuff up my natural potential or become disproportionate?
when do you know when you really ready???

You nailed it on natural potential and watching your health. The sooner you cycle the sooner you gotta cycle bigger and the sooner the risks come.
You are ready for AAS when you are eating as much as you can, training as hard as you can, you've tried every possible bit of real advice you've been given, and your gains have begun to plateau. Alternatively you may also make the decision based on you career and how quickly you need to move up in weight to get to pro.

Nothing wrong with staying here and asking and learning, but I hope you will wait a few years and at least ten kilos of lean muscle before considering your first cycle.

Inja wrote:

Seth wrote:

What would of happend if I had started that cycle or a cycle now? It was kinda the bottom line of whats i was trying to find out... would I stuff up my natural potential or become disproportionate?
when do you know when you really ready???

You nailed it on natural potential and watching your health. The sooner you cycle the sooner you gotta cycle bigger and the sooner the risks come.
You are ready for AAS when you are eating as much as you can, training as hard as you can, you've tried every possible bit of real advice you've been given, and your gains have begun to plateau. Alternatively you may also make the decision based on you career and how quickly you need to move up in weight to get to pro.

Nothing wrong with staying here and asking and learning, but I hope you will wait a few years and at least ten kilos of lean muscle before considering your first cycle.

That you can take to the bank!

Yeah! Thanks again!
I'll continue "normaly". Wouldn't wana damage myself. The reason I asked this stuff is I wanted to know what I was gona get myself into and make an informed decision... you all helped on that one!

Kinda weird tho... I thought gear was there to help and what better time to need help than now at 63...Just i'v seen so many guys younger than me using with results. Messed up I supose.

What woulda happend if id gone on the cycle premature? Eg: Gain to 73 or more and then fall back or just gained and f'd up my natral horm. rythm after. Why would you only wana use it if you made hectic progress anyway? (I understand hitting a platue and staying there).
I thought youd just get to that "point" faster and blown through it...

Thanks again!