Novice Cycle

Hi There,

I’m completely new to this, so excuse my incompetence.
I am going to start with this cycle beginning of next month and just want to get some information from the pro's regarding this cycle...

I’m 175cm at 78kg.

The course I want to use is as follow :

250mg/week - Sustanon - 1-12 weeks
250mg/week - Equipoise - 1-12 weeks
20 mg/day - Dianabol - 1-3 weeks

1) Is 250mg enough for my size or should I notch that up to 500mg?
2) What type of gains could I expect?
3) Also after this should I get something like Clomid/Nolvadex to restore my test levels and how much?
4) How do I maintain what I have gained?
5) If I use Arimidex would that be an overkill?


Regards,
GOS

Clearly you haven't done enough research. Please read the FAQ section.
www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum?func=vi...id=11&id=18152#20050

Clearly that’s like going to the doctor telling him what is wrong and he gives you a thick text book to read...
Thought a forum was about asking questions and having discussions.

But anyhow thanks anyway...

With a attitude like that you'll probably won't be helped anyway. If the doctor tells you to inject brake fluid, would you do it? My point is you can't take everything everybody says on face value.

A doctor is a professional that studied 7 years and were just a bunch of enthusiasts that did our own research on the subject matter and now were expanding our knowledge by discussing it on the forum.

GOS wrote:

Clearly that’s like going to the doctor telling him what is wrong and he gives you a thick text book to read...
Thought a forum was about asking questions and having discussions.

But anyhow thanks anyway...

If you searched the forum you would have had all the answers to your questions.

Just run Sus on its own for 10 weeks @ 500mg, if this is your first cycle.
PCT would start 15 days after your last Sus shot.
500IU HCG three times per week from week 11 -13
15 Days after last shot run Clomid @ 100mg for 5 days then 50mg for 5 days.
After the Clomid you take Kessar @ 20mg for 30 days.

vega5 wrote:

With a attitude like that you'll probably won't be helped anyway. If the doctor tells you to inject brake fluid, would you do it? My point is you can't take everything everybody says on face value.

A doctor is a professional that studied 7 years and were just a bunch of enthusiasts that did our own research on the subject matter and now were expanding our knowledge by discussing it on the forum.

That's exactly why I'm asking these questions to the pro's that have been doing this for years.
Anyway ill go have a squiz at that FAQ.

Thanks milktuds

No probs dude, just read a lot more. Knowledge is power.

Agreed, hate reading tho never caught on to it.

I was recommended that course that’s why I did a post here to hear your guys opinion on it.
Ill have a look at the post you did too thanks again.

Run the test only... leave the EQ to have fun later down the line... you can if you want kick start it with dbol at a low dose, 30mg for the first 3 weeks.. but then remeber sustanon does have a short acting ester in it so it does kick in quite quick, even though its a small dose...

Thanks for that reply 00pump,

This is my undestanding of the following sup's im going to use:

Boldenone Undecylenate - For both strength gains and vascularity.
Sustanon - Exceptional gains in strength and muscle mass.
Dianabol Methandrostenelone - While the injectable takes time to produce results, the end result is that you start seeing
results within the first week of your cycle usually used to kickstart a cycle.
Good for gains in strength and muscle mass.
Clomid & HCG - Prevent Hormonal crash after cycle.


So after reading a few other cycles and mixing them up this is the one that I think ill end up using...

Nomad Laboratory

Nomasust 250 - 30ml
Bold 200 - 20ml
Dinanabol Methandrostenolone - 245 tabs 10mg/tab (blue)

Week1 - 2_sust 2_bold 4_dbol/day
Week2 - 2_sust 2_bold 4_dbol/day
Week3 - 3_sust 2_bold 5_dbol/day
Week4 - 3_sust 2_bold 5_dbol/day
Week5 - 4_sust 2_bold 5_dbol/day
Week6 - 4_sust 2_bold 5_dbol/day
Week7 - 3_sust 2_bold 4_dbol/day
Week8 - 3_sust 2_bold
Week9 - 2_sust 2_bold
Week10 - 2_sust 2_bold
Week11 - 2_sust

Then I will do the Clomid/HCG to bring my test levels back to normal.

Had a look in the gym today, have 20.2% BF, 173cm, 77.9Kg and 130 BP

Intake:

250g Prot & 450g Carb.

Question:

How much would my gains be on this if you someone had to take a guess?

Well I have never had good results with Nomad products, but if you want to use their products go ahead. Looks like you're pyramiding your dosages. No need to, that's old school. Run everything at the same dose. Run Sus at 500mg, Eq at 400 and D -bol at 40mg per day. If I were you I'd run the Eq for at least 14 weeks. So run Eq week 1 - 14 and Sus week 3 - 14, D - Bol week 1 - 4.

But as the Pumper said just run D - Bol and Sus for now. Your not going to be massive after one cycle so don't be impatient and try and use too much stuff on your first cycle. You need Kessar as well for your PCT.

Maybe try and loose a bit more fat before bulking, otherwise you're just gonna look like a beached whale.

Diet, speak to djeasye about that. Don't know if your ratio is correct and what about your fat surely you are getting some fat in your diet?

It's impossible to say how much weight you will gain. Some people gain 10 kg others 5.

At 78kg 20% bf you will grow fine on 250mg a week. How old are you? You are quite small to start gear.
Drop the EQ and run sust at constant dosages through the cycle. The sust kicks in quick so you don't even need the Dbol but if you must use it then use it. Drop the clomid and use kessar for 4 or so weeks post cycle. It's cheaper. Use the extra money you save on Dbol, EQ and Clomid to buy good food.

Turning 24 this year.

I already bought 10ml-sust250 and 10ml-eq with about 75d-bol.
Ill get the kessar then instead of the clomid.

But wont I get better results with 500mg sust weekly?
Its just that 250mg seems like nothing.

Thanks for the info so far tho.

Yep, 250mg a week is not a lot. But you are not a lot either, and I say that without trying to be rude. 78kg, of which over 15kg is fat...
You will grow on low dose sust. If you want to do up to 500mg a week then you will get bigger gains yes, it's your choice.
If you do opt for 500mg sust a week, then drop the EQ and Dbol altogether and save them for another cycle...

Ok thanks,

Ill drop the EQ and D-bol and go for the 500mg/week sust.
Ill prove that blerrie VirginActive BF machine wrong...


Thanks inja I will see how it goes.

GOS wrote:

Ill prove that blerrie VirginActive BF machine wrong...

That's your problem. You might actually only be 10% BF. Those machines are so unreliable.