Ana-test-win cycle please comment

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04 Sep 2009 15:42 #21842 by Mr Moose
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Awsum site not new to gear but need some comments or advice on improving / carrying out my cycle:

Stats: age: 25, weight- 105kg, height- 185cm, bf%- 13
My diet is in order and this is my second cycle goals are- 4kg+ lean muscle and as much fat loss as possible. i have done these test and anavar quantities in the past and dont want to change them.
Basically want comments on my ending/ length, liver protection and dosage of clen.

Cycle:
Letro- .25mg ed
Test Prop- 150mg eod, week 1-7
Test Prop- 100mg eod, week 8
Anavar- 60mg ed, week 1-10
Winstrol oral- 20mg Every 2nd Day, week 9 & 10
Clen- 1st 2 weeks PCT

PCT:
Pregnyl- 6x 500iu shots over weeks 9, 10 & 11
kesser- 40mg ed, week 11
kesser- 20mg ed, week 12 & 13

Peace.

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04 Sep 2009 15:59 #21843 by milktuds
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Why don't you run your Test at the same dose from week 1 - 8?
Winstrol orals you need to take everyday, at least 30mg per day.
Pregnyl 500 IU three times per week for three weeks.
Run Kessar week 11 - 14

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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04 Sep 2009 17:03 #21845 by Mr Moose
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Did that on my last cycle 150mg week 1-8, felt quite a down wen i stopped even though stil on the anavar. Friend reccomended dropping the dose by a third in the last week.
Livers and joints will be put under pressure on that winstrol dose surely, i do alot of impact training (mma & rugby) and lots of cardio. Cant afford such sides. will 30mg cause anything? liver protection?
My pct worked very well last time is there any reason to change it?
Thanks for the tips miltuds

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04 Sep 2009 17:44 #21846 by milktuds
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PCT: If it ain't broke don't fix it

Winstrol should be fine on that dose, just get yourself some joint support like Arthro Guard. I usually take double the recommended dose of it.

Also make sure you're getting enough flax-seed oil. 3 - 6 grams per day.
Liver: Use Milk Thistle and Essentiale and plenty of water. You'll need cranberry extract as well.

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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04 Sep 2009 18:17 #21848 by Sting
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Mr Moose wrote:

Basically want comments on my ending/ length, liver protection and dosage of clen.


Start cycling clen with a starting dose of 40 mcg a day and build it up to approximately 100mcg/day (or a lower dose that you are comfortable with/able to tolerate)

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04 Sep 2009 18:31 #21849 by Mr Moose
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Milktuds:
When do i start tking the- flax seed oil, milk thistle, essentiale and cranberry extract?? and how much of those??

Beesting: is the placement of my clen good?? ur idea of building up sounds good, think il go to 80mcg scared of the combo with the cardio.

thanks for tips

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04 Sep 2009 18:44 #21850 by Sting
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Yeah its good because Clen is supposed to have anabolic properties. Im not sure about what you said but are you only taking clen for two weeks or are you cycling it during ur PCT

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04 Sep 2009 18:45 #21851 by milktuds
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Flax seed oil, milk thistle, essentiale and cranberry from beginning till end
Flax seed: 3000 - 6000 mg per day
Milk Thistle: depends which brand, take 2 - 4 capsules per day
Essentiale: I usually take six caps per day
Natrodale Cranberry extract: 1 - 2 caps per day

For your weight I'd try to get in between 4 - 6 L water per day

You can take the Clen after your cardio if you struggle with breathing

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04 Sep 2009 18:59 #21852 by Mr Moose
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Oh ya and do you think ive placed my pregnyl over the correct 3 weeks??

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04 Sep 2009 19:03 #21853 by Sting
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Also if you are scared of taking the clen with the cardio you can take it after cardio as milktuds suggested. Clen will raise your body temperature as well as your heart rate so if you combine it with cardio then keep the cardio intensity constant and low/moderate (but not high intensity)

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04 Sep 2009 19:04 #21854 by Mr Moose
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Thanks Milktuds so that covers all the bases:

Beesting i am only using the clen for the first two weeks of my PCT: gonna build as follows
day 1-2: 30mcg
day 3-4: 50mcg
day 5-6: 70mcg
day 7-14: 80mcg

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04 Sep 2009 19:09 #21856 by Sting
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May I ask why you are only using clen for two weeks?

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04 Sep 2009 19:14 #21857 by milktuds
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Oh yeah you should add Saw palmetto for your prostate. Use as directed

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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04 Sep 2009 19:15 #21858 by Mr Moose
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Just to keep anabolic and to harden up/ expose my gains more>

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04 Sep 2009 19:17 #21859 by milktuds
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Mr Moose wrote:

Oh ya and do you think ive placed my pregnyl over the correct 3 weeks??


Looks fine

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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04 Sep 2009 19:17 #21860 by Sting
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Okay then, I just dont think that doing two weeks only is going to keep you anabolic

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04 Sep 2009 19:42 #21862 by Mr Moose
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Surley it will help keep you anabolic- maybe not on a huge level but enough to complete a cycle without 2 much haste, ensuring permanent gains??
Thanks for the tips aswel beesting

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04 Sep 2009 19:55 #21863 by Mr Moose
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Oh ya and milktuds wen do i take all those things, as in when during the day??

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04 Sep 2009 20:01 #21864 by Sting
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Yes it will keep you anabolic enough to complete the cycle. Just thought you would want to stay anabolic afer your PCT as well. Anyways, good luck with your cycle :)

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04 Sep 2009 20:09 #21865 by milktuds
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Mr Moose wrote:

Oh ya and milktuds wen do i take all those things, as in when during the day??


I usually take them morning/midday/afternoon.

You're taking a multivitamin as well right?
You can add 2000mg Vit C and E along with the other vits. I know it sounds like a lot of vitamins, but your body needs it.

If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them.
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05 Sep 2009 09:50 #21906 by Empire
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Mr Moose wrote:

Awsum site not new to gear but need some comments or advice on improving / carrying out my cycle:

Stats: age: 25, weight- 105kg, height- 185cm, bf%- 13
My diet is in order and this is my second cycle goals are- 4kg+ lean muscle and as much fat loss as possible. i have done these test and anavar quantities in the past and dont want to change them.
Basically want comments on my ending/ length, liver protection and dosage of clen.

Cycle:
Letro- .25mg ed
Test Prop- 150mg eod, week 1-7
Test Prop- 100mg eod, week 8
Anavar- 60mg ed, week 1-10
Winstrol oral- 20mg Every 2nd Day, week 9 & 10
Clen- 1st 2 weeks PCT

PCT:
Pregnyl- 6x 500iu shots over weeks 9, 10 & 11
kesser- 40mg ed, week 11
kesser- 20mg ed, week 12 & 13

Peace.


ok has no one noticed the 10weeks of orals,rule of thumb of orals is 6 weeks never mind the joint pains u are going to get from the anavar as it does eat up body fat... i i suggest u run all your orals within 6weeks and then run your test prop at high doses in that same period of time...

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05 Sep 2009 23:27 #21926 by Mr Moose
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I have run the Var before for this time period no issues: really only noticed the gains and strength after week 5+- really dont wanna drop it as low as 6?
Guess i am running winnie this time tho- maybe adapt the cycle and run for eight weeks?

Shot for all the help Milktuds peace man+

Beesting: thanks alot- outa interest how would you run the clen considering iam only gonna start it on the first day of PCT?

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06 Sep 2009 01:16 #21930 by Sting
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Cycle it two weeks on two weeks off. Minimum 6 weeks (including the weeks off, So two weeks on two weeks off then two weeks on again). Alternatively you can cycle it one week on, one week off for six-seven weeks.

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06 Sep 2009 03:42 #21938 by Inja
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Mr Moose wrote:

I have run the Var before for this time period no issues


The worry with the extended orals is liver strain. Everyone is different and each cycle can give different results with additional environmental factors. How did you check that there were no issue with your previous oral usage? Did you have some tests done on your liver?

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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06 Sep 2009 16:49 #21959 by Mr Moose
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Beesting: sounds good- but that's means iam running the clen during my whole pct and then about a week or so after?? then what?? surey u can't jus wean off and stop??

Inja: that's very true, no didn't hav tests just talking about how I felt, do u also advise just 6 weeks. as I said only started feeling the strength after 4/5 weeks.

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