Advice on cycle

Hi all,

I've just been on a cycle of Test-Cyp and Equipoise for roughly 9 weeks. Have also just completed post-therapy incl preg, cloment.

I'm looking for advice on my next cycle, please. Something which will help to bulk, and something that my receptors wont be so used to. Something that may help to keep the bulk on as well with good post-cycle therapy - obviously eating and sessions are the biggest drivers of this.

My specs: 87kg, 6ft1, age late 20's. Pretty cut and not much body fat.

In the last 8 months, i have been through the following cycles:

1) Tren, Test Cyp (cycle before the one mentioned above)

2) Test Enan, Dbol (cycle prior to 1)

3) Test Prop, Tren (cycle prior to 2)


I prefer to stay away from the orals, as i have found in the past that they dont always agree with my body. So where possible i try stick with injectables.

Also Tren is great, but am finding it to be quite harsh, so prefer to only do that one max twice a year. Also really do not want to go near deca or sust, been down that road since i was a newbie

I have heard that one needs to switch test esters, to get better effects, something along the lines of slow-acting ester like enantate, then followed by faster ester like Test Cyp or Test Prop. Unfortunately i am still fairly new to things having only cycled for about 1.5yrs now, so i need advice here, please.

Please can you guys assist.

j

In the last 8 months you've done 3 cycles? How long were they?
I can barely fit 2 or 3 in a year.

sheesh like.... your cycles looked like shockers... if you said you used test prop I could some how understand how you did 3 cycles in 8 months...

*shrugs*

Yeah, have not done anything longer than 8 weeks, purely because i was concerned about overdoing it.

Guys, i realise i am not the most experienced person on the block with all of this, i am just trying to get some decent advice.

Obviously, from an experienced person's point of view, i probably look like a t*t but it really wont help to shoot me down. We all have to learn somehow. Listen, i already feel like an idiot.

Advice on a decent cycle, how to approach it and what length of time i should probably be on the cycle for would really appreciated.

Think of it as your good deed before christmas

how long have you been away from gear? what are you trying to achieve? what does your diet look like?

explain from a weight loss / weight gain / maintain what you protein / carb / fat split is... etc... then sure you will get some more help

I'm no expert, so bear this in mind, please:

1) As far as diet goes:

- Around 6 or 7 meals a day now including snacks. Shake three times a day.

- Carb / Protein split. Around 60% carbs 40% protein. Every day includes tuna, chicken and pasta's. Alternative days red meats / fish. And all the other diets people read up on websites e.g. oats, eggs, cottage cheese etc. I do follow the diets religiously.


2) Goal. Trying to pack on more bulk, around another 5 or 6kg to hit about 90/91. Body fat percentage is pretty low and pretty cut currently, probably because of the all the Tren, and Equi.

I find that with my current cycles i can really probably never get more than about 4 or 5 kg out of the deal, probably because i dont do it long enough or i am using the wrong cycles. Then i have to cope with a fairly high metabolism that requires me to eat lot otherwise i lose some gains. If i don't monitor the eating i do lose pretty quickly.

I've been off cycle for 3 weeks now.

Ok for starters you need around 3 months to clean your system out and give your receptors a break....

have you done a proper PCT? HCG, Clomid/Kessar, etc?

Have you done blood tests afterwards to check your levels?

PCT has been done properly yes. Tamoxifen (Kessar), clomid and preg.

As far as tests go, i had liver value checks and a few others things about a week ago. I always do this after every cycle. The values are very much normal according the doctor.

The last cycle wasn't really that heavy i don't believe. 2ml test cyp p/w, combined with 250 -400mg equi p/w (used the vebenol equipoise). Scaling up at the start of the cycle and scaling down towards the end. Then PCT.

A bodybuilder in pretoria who has now passed away (previous post in the forum), once recommended a 6 week rest period before the next cycle. So it seems, 3 months is better then?

Any specific advice on the cycle to go on next?

Thanks for your help.

Yes 3 months is much better than 6 weeks... this is when train you don't miss a serving of creatine you eat the correct ammount of protein and you have ample rest to grow... over training and you become highly catabolic... make sure you taking your vits (inject your b12 and co)

EQ is a waste if run under 12 weeks... 14/16 is better....

I don't ever like giving out figures or having fingers pointed at me....

Don't even go up and down like you said you where doing, you can front load but thats it.... after that keep the dose till the last shot.... You said short and long acting esters is better, this is not true... yes you will have more stable plamza levels if you inject Test E or Test / Cypionate twice a week... Short acting ester could be used for a front load...

You said you don't like orals but if you can get them for 2/3 (max) in the start of your cycle to front load you could do that, or just wait patiently... I find front loading is a good idea as you not wasting anything and you get cracking fron the get go specially if you using EQ as that takes for ever to kick in 3/4 weeks...

Cycle could consist of something like

40mg dbol pd for 2 weeks
Test E or Test Cyp injected twice a week at a dose of 300mg per shot, (600mg p/w)
EQ at 400mg per week.

Run the cycle for 12/14 weeks...

Make sure you take liver support from before you even start the cycle as you putting strain on your body from the get go with the orals...

Also with the tren and that you have used I would honestly use something like SAMe to help repair your liver....

You can use HCG during the cycle at 500iu every 3rd day, or you can use it middle of the cycle at 1500iu every 3rd day for 3 days...

I would use a low dose of letro during thing 0.25 or 0.5 p/d from a few days before the cycle if you are prono to gyno or don't like bloating up to much....

Then finish off with a proper PCT, HCG right at the end of the cycle 2nd week ending with the start of your Kessar for 30 days....

You can incrase your carb intake when on a cycle as your metabolism is speeded up at this point.

PS: make sure you have a 3 month break before you start this...

Hi cb77,
I think pump just is right in questioning your "cycles" :ohmy: :redcard
but you are right as well that you r now asking for some input to get things optimised ...
you might have saved a lot of money and testes, if you'd red up or asked before ...
maybe you should be a bit more patient and set realistic time lines / goals?

It's hard to give proper advise based on the info you provided.
From where you are now (3 wks post PCT) you probably should stay off for the next 3 months.
Since you haven't had that much experience, I would save the stacks like test + tren + equi for later ... and run one or two short cycles to see how you doin'
(short cycles always means short esters!)
My favorite suggestion:
test prop 100mg ed + 40-60mg t-bol ed for 6-8 weeks + 4 wks PCT
based on your diet and training you can make this a bulking OR cutting cycle
even though, if you want to bulk you could run d-bol 40mg ed for the first 4 wks and then switch to t-bol (is cheaper,too)

Unfortunately, no one will become a freakin' monster over night (some of us will never :blink: )
Take your time, DO SOME READING and then just weights and see ...
,
Dina

Hi pump !
nice suggestion, too
@cb77 it's all about choices ... depends on what you want, budget, time available to commit to training diet etc....

Thanks i really appreciate the valuable advice.

I will hold off for the time period you suggest, then start the cycle. I'll post back in a while and let you know how it is going.

Again, thanks.

Read all the info you can on the products just specified about.. their half life, how long one recomends taking them for what ammounts, you have 3 months to get yourself educated before your next cycle...

right now clean your body out... i think it needs it...

An on that note, we hereby cristen you an official member of the forum

LOL Inja you a freak.