CYCLE HELP...

If you follow my threads from the begining you will see that i had not done any reaserach and bought on the advice of a friend, which was not clever lucky i still have all the goodies.

Since then i have done a lot of reasearch and got some great advice.

@DJ thanks for the help on the diet, i am eating twice as much now but coz its clean eating i have lost 2 kgs of fat 92kgs down to 89kgs, age 32 height 182cm.

i chose the following as my first cycle to start in Jan 2010.
W1-10 TEST-E 500mg/WEEK
W1-4 DBOL 40mg ED
W8-12 PROVIRON 50mg ED

LETRO ON HAND

PCT, 14 DAYS AFTER LAST SHOT:
W13-W16 KESSAR 20mg ED
HCG
W8 @500iU 2x P/WEEK
W11 & W 12 500iU 3x P/WEEK

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THAT BEFORE I DID MY HOME WORK I HAD BOUGHT
10mg SUST 250
10mG DECA
10mG WIN

i HAVE READ THAT FOR A FIRST CYCLE I SHOULD NOT USE A COMBO LIKE sust 250 I SHOULD USE A SINGLE ESTHER TEST, BUT I WAS THINKING WHEN I ORDER EVERYTHING FOR MY FIRST CYCLE I SHOULD JUST ORDER ANOTHER 10mg SUST 250 TO SAVE MONEY OR CAN I ORDER 10MG TEST-E(I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TRY THIS AS I HAVE READ SUCH GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT) USE THE TEST-E FIRST AND THEN USE THE SUST 250 TO FINISH OF?.

CAN I USE THE DECA, OR SHOULD I LEAVE IT OUT FOR NEXT CYCLE LIKE I WILL WITH THE WINNY?

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK....

truckstopper wrote:

If you follow my threads from the begining you will see that i had not done any reaserach and bought on the advice of a friend, which was not clever lucky i still have all the goodies.

Since then i have done a lot of reasearch and got some great advice.

@DJ thanks for the help on the diet, i am eating twice as much now but coz its clean eating i have lost 2 kgs of fat 92kgs down to 89kgs, age 32 height 182cm.

i chose the following as my first cycle to start in Jan 2010.
W1-10 TEST-E 500mg/WEEK
W1-4 DBOL 40mg ED
W8-12 PROVIRON 50mg ED

LETRO ON HAND

PCT, 14 DAYS AFTER LAST SHOT:
W13-W16 KESSAR 20mg ED
HCG
W8 @500iU 2x P/WEEK
W11 & W 12 500iU 3x P/WEEK

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THAT BEFORE I DID MY HOME WORK I HAD BOUGHT
10mg SUST 250
10mG DECA
10mG WIN

i HAVE READ THAT FOR A FIRST CYCLE I SHOULD NOT USE A COMBO LIKE sust 250 I SHOULD USE A SINGLE ESTHER TEST, BUT I WAS THINKING WHEN I ORDER EVERYTHING FOR MY FIRST CYCLE I SHOULD JUST ORDER ANOTHER 10mg SUST 250 TO SAVE MONEY OR CAN I ORDER 10MG TEST-E(I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TRY THIS AS I HAVE READ SUCH GOOD THINGS ABOUT IT) USE THE TEST-E FIRST AND THEN USE THE SUST 250 TO FINISH OF?.

CAN I USE THE DECA, OR SHOULD I LEAVE IT OUT FOR NEXT CYCLE LIKE I WILL WITH THE WINNY?

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK....

You can do sus in your first cycle. Just try to inject EOD to keep the blood levels stable. On that note though i had Great results from jabbing it just twice a week. Deca is garbage mate if you gonna do something do equipose. The side effects of deca are harsh and the gains are similar if not less then from equipose

Trackstopper wassup: give yourself a pat on the back these other rookies just run and youve come back with details and an impressive cycle.
Now to those million questions, Deca test cycles are decent begginner cycles but test only is great as is so i would say leave the deca, makes things more simple and there is always next time.
Now if you want to use that sust, you would use it the other way round to how you said, as in during the first 4 weeks of the cycle, this is because it is a combo of fast and slow esters so the fast ones will actually help kickstart the cycle in a way. Then you can go onto the E.
If you come to week 9 or 10 and you see you have some excess water you can throw in that winstrol at 30-40mg per day eg. Those 14 days after last shot and even during the last week of shots.
Hope that all makes sense and helps;)
Peace

Mr Moose wrote:

Trackstopper wassup: give yourself a pat on the back these other rookies just run and youve come back with details and an impressive cycle.
Now to those million questions, Deca test cycles are decent begginner cycles but test only is great as is so i would say leave the deca, makes things more simple and there is always next time.
Now if you want to use that sust, you would use it the other way round to how you said, as in during the first 4 weeks of the cycle, this is because it is a combo of fast and slow esters so the fast ones will actually help kickstart the cycle in a way. Then you can go onto the E.
If you come to week 9 or 10 and you see you have some excess water you can throw in that winstrol at 30-40mg per day eg. Those 14 days after last shot and even during the last week of shots.
Hope that all makes sense and helps;)
Peace

The amount of test prop in sus is insignificant to "kick start" anything with sus.You could try frontload by doubling the dosages in the first week. Instead of taking 3 mls take 6 to "kick start". Deca shuts you down hard. Why even use it? You got injuries or join problems? If not you dont need it at all. Plus deca takes long to actually produce results. If you gonna add something to your cycle add equi.

Thus 'in a way kickstart' (get to work faster) lesa, you Arent goin to argue the fact that it shud be used first or will get to work faster than E are you?. And he is taking D-bol so he should be sorted, just making a compromise seeing as he alreay has the gear.
Well i wont even touch test e never mind deca but thats just me, water retention is a curse. And you say u needa b on deca for long? And eq? You will be looking at a 14 week cycle to be succesfull.
But none of this matters as it does not pertain to the topic. I agree with the No deca aspect.
All the best with the cycle truckstopper.
Peace

Mr Moose wrote:

Thus 'in a way kickstart' (get to work faster) lesa, you Arent goin to argue the fact that it shud be used first or will get to work faster than E are you?. And he is taking D-bol so he should be sorted, just making a compromise seeing as he alreay has the gear.
Well i wont even touch test e never mind deca but thats just me, water retention is a curse. And you say u needa b on deca for long? And eq? You will be looking at a 14 week cycle to be succesfull.
But none of this matters as it does not pertain to the topic. I agree with the No deca aspect.
All the best with the cycle truckstopper.
Peace

if you dont mind me asking, why would you not touch test -E? should i just do sust through out, or get Super test 320 from PGW?

The amount of test prop in sus is insignificant to "kick start" anything with sus.You could try frontload by doubling the dosages in the first week. Instead of taking 3 mls take 6 to "kick start". Deca shuts you down hard. Why even use it? You got injuries or join problems? If not you dont need it at all. Plus deca takes long to actually produce results. If you gonna add something to your cycle add equi.[/quote]

@LESA thank you for your help. Would 3 mls not be to much in 1st week, as i understand that you would do 1 shot monday 2nd shot thursday evening?

Mr Moose wrote:

Thus 'in a way kickstart' (get to work faster) lesa, you Arent goin to argue the fact that it shud be used first or will get to work faster than E are you?. And he is taking D-bol so he should be sorted, just making a compromise seeing as he alreay has the gear.
Well i wont even touch test e never mind deca but thats just me, water retention is a curse. And you say u needa b on deca for long? And eq? You will be looking at a 14 week cycle to be succesfull.
But none of this matters as it does not pertain to the topic. I agree with the No deca aspect.
All the best with the cycle truckstopper.
Peace

Sus will work faster than test e cause it has test prop in it but is not used for kickstarting anything.Either do test E or sus.If you really dont have enough of test e or sus for a full cycle then do sus first but I would deffinately do one compound throughout the cycle. Dbol prop etc will do the trick way better for froantloading. I only started seeing proper results from EQ in weeks 12 +. You dont like bloat? Get urself adex or letro.

2 mls is fine 500 mgs is sweet. twice a week shot is fine too. Guys here will go on to say how u have to shoot eod blah blah. I get mad pains from sus so twice a week is enough for me and it works.

Your cycle looks great. Don't change it significantly at all...


I might want to run the HCG at least a week longer than the proviron, because I like all suppressive exogenous androgens out of my system when I'm kickstarting my testes into producing endognous androgens.

It doesn't matter whether you are running Test E or Sustanon for the cycle. If you run the sust it kicks in quicker, but if you are using the Dbol with the Testen then you wouldn't even know how long it takes for Testen to start to work in your body so you wouldn't notice the difference. I prefer just test for the first cycle to learn all these things but I am not entrely opposed to a little Dbol in the beginning...

If you opt for sustanon then you can inject twice a week or even once a week, there is no real significant benefit in stable blood levels with a greater frequency of injections. With Testen it is significantly better however to inject twice a week when compared to once a week.

i could have enough of both if i needed , but seeing that i have got 10ml sust already i recon i will top up on that. i will get letro on hand, which is actually better, adex or Letro?

Inja wrote:

Your cycle looks great. Don't change it significantly at all...


I might want to run the HCG at least a week longer than the proviron, because I like all suppressive exogenous androgens out of my system when I'm kickstarting my testes into producing endognous androgens.

It doesn't matter whether you are running Test E or Sustanon for the cycle. If you run the sust it kicks in quicker, but if you are using the Dbol with the Testen then you wouldn't even know how long it takes for Testen to start to work in your body so you wouldn't notice the difference. I prefer just test for the first cycle to learn all these things but I am not entrely opposed to a little Dbol in the beginning...

If you opt for sustanon then you can inject twice a week or even once a week, there is no real significant benefit in stable blood levels with a greater frequency of injections. With Testen it is significantly better however to inject twice a week when compared to once a week.

So HCG up to W13? would i inject 2mls once a week then? would that be ok? I will be using Dbol in my cycle.

It wont hurt to run it to 13
I know proviron is mild and many run it at the end to harden up but its still a steroid and still send signals to your balls saying, es pana bolemble, no mor semene pleaska.

No problem running 1mL twice a week or 2mL once a week if its Sust, your choice...

Inja wrote:

It wont hurt to run it to 13
I know proviron is mild and many run it at the end to harden up but its still a steroid and still send signals to your balls saying, es pana bolemble, no mor semene pleaska.

No problem running 1mL twice a week or 2mL once a week if its Sust, your choice...

Thats good to know will change my cycle to suit that, i will try twice a week first if its not to bad then do 20ml once, i have read that quiet a few people feel pain with Sust.

Inja wrote:

It wont hurt to run it to 13
I know proviron is mild and many run it at the end to harden up but its still a steroid and still send signals to your balls saying, es pana bolemble, no mor semene pleaska.

No problem running 1mL twice a week or 2mL once a week if its Sust, your choice...

thank you so much for the help

Sure, good luck!

Keep the Deca and winnie in a cool dark dry place in the meanwhile...

I think your karma shouldn't be -1 anymore.