ECA alternative

Hey guys. I'm looking to use clenbuterol and ECA to cut body fat, only problem is that I'm allergic to Aspirin. Is there another product that you could recommend?Thanks

That contains Ephadrine like ECA or that has the same fat burning properties?

Alternative you can consider:
WASP (Yohimbe, L-Tyrosine, Siberian Ginseng and Caffeine)

Or even a clen and var cycle

It doesnt necessarily have to contain ephedrine, but just a product that will give me the same fat loss reults. What would the cycle look like if i used clen and anavar?

I would go for 8 weeks, cycle clen, 2 days on and 2 days off to help with receptor downgrade. The daosage would be individually based for the clen, 40mcg tabs 2 - 4 per day per 2 day cycle. Start with 2 tabs and work your way to the max you can take (from a sides perspective) and stay below 160mcg. Var I would recommend on your weight, but it would probably be around the 50mgs per day dosage, also depends on budget. Anything from 20mgs per day is good for fat loss when combined with clen. Would not use ketotifen as this will give you an appetite and rather cycle clen for better results.

You should gain about 3 or so kgs with the var and your strength will increase, reall effects only after 21 or so days, good fat loss and a bit of a girly cycle, but with good results.

Var you would need (on a 30 mg per day dose), 3 x 56 = 168 tabs, 4 tubes of 50 at a 10mg per tab dose. Clen would depend on you, but lets work on 3 tabs per day (120 mcg) so around 100 tabs would be a good estimate.

PCT of clomid for the Var, 2 boxes from Mer or 1 from Hexal (10 tabs), one tabe per day, 5 days off one tab per day and then your'e done and will hold onto those 3 odd kgs you gained and good drop in bf.

Would not use ketotifen as this will give you an appetite and rather cycle clen for better results.
ummm hmmm what can we take for this?see thing is i am starting my clen and ketofin stack for a month then i start my stack of NPP (300mg a week) test prop (400mg a week) and anavar (2 pgw caps a day) and 120mg clen daily whilst on ketofin on my cycle...this is a 35day stack.now i predominantly wanna drop body fat and put on some lean muscle,but i dont wanna have the appetite of a horse...

Dj, 35 days is not enough in my opinion.

Sure i felt it in my 3rd week, but it only really kicked in at week 5/6. My strength is increasing with each workout now.

.66 ml NPP = 100mg / 1.4 ml testP = 140mg(ester weight included) EOD with 3 caps Anavar daily. test slightly more than the Nandolone for the obvious reasons.

I will be running 1ml = 150mg NPP / 1.5ml TestP EOD(maybe a bit more) with 25 mg Proviron daily soon - hopefully for another 6 weeks. The NPP really agrees with me and i'm happy with the results.

I will also be running TestP for a month after the NPP ends - (Want to make sure i get the cahoonas back before the Test stops - HCG at 300iU, twice a week starting with the above then 750 twice a week, last week of TestP).

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Dj, 35 days is not enough in my opinion.

Sure i felt it in my 3rd week, but it only really kicked in at week 5/6. My strength is increasing with each workout now.

.66 ml NPP = 100mg / 1.4 ml testP = 140mg(ester weight included) EOD with 3 caps Anavar daily. test slightly more than the Nandolone for the obvious reasons.

I will be running 1ml = 150mg NPP / 1.5ml TestP EOD(maybe a bit more) with 25 mg Proviron daily soon - hopefully for another 6 weeks. The NPP really agrees with me and i'm happy with the results.

I will also be running TestP for a month after the NPP ends - (Want to make sure i get the cahoonas back before the Test stops - HCG at 300iU, twice a week starting with the above then 750 twice a week, last week of TestP).

yea i am sorta doing the same course as you jack,how long was your cycle?

wanted to keep the course short...maybe i should bump up my var to 3 caps a day...hmmmm...

@ djeasye,
Bro, cycle your clen and there are a fwe ways to do this. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, 2 days on 2 days off. With the 2 week cycle you could use ECA in between and the other compounds will give you the anabolic support. I would recommend the 2 day pulsing, reason being you will only have to deal with clen sides for 2 days at a time and not 2 weeks at a time, just my opinion.

Just a note:
Increasing dosages does not make the compounds work faster, better yes (depending on dose), but definately not faster. Var takes around 21 days to reach peak levels and really work for most.

i is seeing your point...

Netro wrote:

@ djeasye,
Bro, cycle your clen and there are a fwe ways to do this. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off, 2 days on 2 days off. With the 2 week cycle you could use ECA in between and the other compounds will give you the anabolic support. I would recommend the 2 day pulsing, reason being you will only have to deal with clen sides for 2 days at a time and not 2 weeks at a time, just my opinion.

Just a note:
Increasing dosages does not make the compounds work faster, better yes (depending on dose), but definately not faster. Var takes around 21 days to reach peak levels and really work for most.

Netro, I have been thinking about the 2 day on 2 day off cycling method and I don't think it will prevent receptor down-regulation. The reason I think that is because the half-life is about 36-39 hours, so that means that your receptors only have about 12-9 hours to recover... do you think that is enough time?

I have used "120mcg Clen" for 3 months with "3mg Ketotifen" and "60-70mg Anavar" for the last 8 weeks of that cycle with great results. I have to mention though that I cope very well with the sides of Clen... I agree on Netro's view on the dosage; I have used 200mcg Clen + 5mg Keto and there were no added benefits.

admin wrote:

I have used "120mcg Clen" for 3 months with "3mg Ketotifen" and "60-70mg Anavar" for the last 8 weeks of that cycle with great results.

how did u curb the crave for food? did the var help with your appetite or did u take anything else?

Correct on your half-life there, 1.5 days. The 2 day cycling will only slow the receptor downgrade. This is what I mean, you take clen e/d and around the 4 week mark your receptors are flat and the clen looses it's fat burning properties. How do we know this, well take your temp for the first week before you start and then every day when you are on, you will see about 1 degree difference (upward), this means the clen or thermogenic is working (must be done 1st thing in the morning). After 4 weeks of clen your temp returns to normal and thus the conclusion above. If you cycle the clen 2 days on 2 days off you delay the receptor downgrade by 50%, thus you can go for 8 weeks of clen and then the receptors are probably flat or close to that. After 36 hours the levels drop, so there is a see saw of levels, but it works.

Look at it as just delaying the process. If you plan to go longer than 8 weeks with the 2 day cycle you will have to use the ketotifen to sustain your receptors or if you plan longer than 4 weeks with e/d dosage.

@Netro,
Oh, I see... yeah that will work as most don't use Clen longer than 8 weeks anyway. I was just wondering if half a day will make a big enough difference.

@djeasye,
I did get very hungry before I started the Anavar, but I just kept to my original diet. When I started the Anavar it helped a little bit with the cravings, but nothing major. When I started noticing results, it actually became easier to stick to clean eating...