proviron in cycle

Would adding proviron to the last 4 weeks of a 10week test e (250mg) & deca (350mg) make the PCT more efficient? Might leave the deca since this is my first cycle. PCT will be with kesser

Proviron has no place in a pct and it wont make your pct more efficient.It still suppresses the hpta.There is much controversy about wether proviron is actually suppressive or not.I still think its a useless drug apart from the fact that it gives priapisms and "muscle hardness".

tiny wrote:

Proviron has no place in a pct and it wont make your pct more efficient.It still suppresses the hpta.There is much controversy about wether proviron is actually suppressive or not.I still think its a useless drug apart from the fact that it gives priapisms and "muscle hardness".

I agree with tiny on the pct-its still a steroid and will cause some sort of suppression no matter how minor, and this is the last thing you want on pct.
Masteron or even winny is a far better option IMO, but no gear for pct.

Not planning it in pct. Want to use it last 4 weeks of cycle. As i understand it has strong androgenic effect and low anabolic. It is used as a anti estrogen. From what i can gather it should work well with nolvadex since that binds to the receptors. So the 2 tackles the estrogen issue from different angles. Thought that by using it in last 4 weeks of cycle you can start eliminating the forming of estrogin and therefor pct will have a easier task in getting the hormonal balance back.

Pls comment! I am very enquisitive and do allot of reading lately before i take the step

www.steroid.com/Proviron.php

ABC01 wrote:

Not planning it in pct. Want to use it last 4 weeks of cycle. As i understand it has strong androgenic effect and low anabolic. It is used as a anti estrogen. From what i can gather it should work well with nolvadex since that binds to the receptors. So the 2 tackles the estrogen issue from different angles. Thought that by using it in last 4 weeks of cycle you can start eliminating the forming of estrogin and therefor pct will have a easier task in getting the hormonal balance back.

Pls comment! I am very enquisitive and do allot of reading lately before i take the step

www.steroid.com/Proviron.php

It does have anti estrogen qualities but they are limited.
I would suggest bumping your test up to 400-500mg per week and leaving the deca-deca is one of the most suppressive compounds with active metabolites than remain in your blood stream for a long time.
Masteron is actually a better option than proviron, its basically the same but you get anabolic effect as well.
I think you'll have a good cycle with test and masteron for the full 10 weeks, test 400-500mg per week and masteron 400mg per week. Masteron also acts as an anti e to an extent, it also has a high binding affinity for SHBG, which binds to test so it makes the test your pinning more effective as less of it becomes bound.
But have an anti e on hand-adex or letro-in case you are sensitive to estrogen, but with the masteron you should be fine.

If you really don't want to use the masteron, the proviron would be 50mg per day, you can use it for the entire cycle as it isn't 17 alpha alkylated, but 1 methylated, which means it isn't liver toxic, but the prices are similar and masteron has the same qualities as proviron, but will provide decent muscle growth as well.

ABC, I would forget all the fancy stuff for now, and run a test cycle for 10/12 weeks. You dont need Proviron, Deca or Masteron in a first cycle.

Every body responds differently to gear. So just because I dont get xyz problems, doesnt mean you are not gonna get them. The info you read does not apply to everyone!!! Steroids can cause some serious probs, even if you have done alot of research like you are doing.Take it 1 step at a time and you can gauge how you respond to each steroid individually.

Enjoy.

BB_guy wrote:

ABC, I would forget all the fancy stuff for now, and run a test cycle for 10/12 weeks. You dont need Proviron, Deca or Masteron in a first cycle.

Every body responds differently to gear. So just because I dont get xyz problems, doesnt mean you are not gonna get them. The info you read does not apply to everyone!!! Steroids can cause some serious probs, even if you have done alot of research like you are doing.Take it 1 step at a time and you can gauge how you respond to each steroid individually.

Enjoy.

You are right BB! Problem with all this first time reading is that you keep stumbling apon gear that looks better and my plan changes constantly. I made up my mind now and will run the test en for 10 or 12 weeks and do my pct one week after my last shot. I however do feel that because my dose will be lower than 500mg/week my pct will be fine with kesser at 40mg/day for 2 weeks and 20mg/week for 2 weeks. I struggle to get hcg so might give it a skip. Dont want to feel to bloated so will i need a AI and if so which one

This is my final 1st cycle and does this look ok and safe?

I struggle to get hcg so might give it a skip.

Bru dont leave out HCG im sure you can get it just ask around (meaning around ur gym or somewhere else not here on this forum tho)
If u gonna do a cycle do it properly.

I agree you might get away with a Nolva only pct, seeing you will only be on a low dose and for a short period of time. BUT it's at your own risk.

If you cant get HCG and feel that you might be taking a risk without it , run a lower dose for even shorter time period , maybe 10 weeks.

PGW stocks Letro. 0.25 mg everyday should do the trick.You should get some anyways to be on the safe side.

PCT should start 12 -14 days after last injection.

Hcg is a MUST on any cycle involving Deca.With a test-only cycle you might get away with kessar only.If you cant get hold of hcg,you can also try an over-the-counter product called Eurycoma longifolia,it is said to increase natural test production.Dosage ranges from 600mg - 1000mg per day.

EURYCOMA LONGIFOLIA PRODUCT SCIENCE

A Screening demonstrated that Eurycoma Longifolia could increase the human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) induced production of testosterone. Lie-Chwen Lin et. al., in a scientific study into the chemical constituents of Eurycoma Longifolia.

National Yang-Ming University, Shih-pai, Taipei 112, Taiwan.
A double blind placebo controlled test on 14 males over 8 weeks produced an added 2.1 kg fat free mass and an increase in free testosterone levels of between 70-133%. Sareena HH Dep Sport Science Univ Malaysia 2000.
A 91% improvement in sexual score was achieved in a trial involving 23 volunteers. Tambi I et. al., SpecialistRreproductive Research Centre Malaysia 2003.

Thanks for all the help guys. Got my cycle and most of my pct. Will run only the test en. Will still try and get hcg otherwise tiny's suggestion

Thanks!!!!!!