help needed with next cycle

Hi all

i want to soon embark on what will be my 2nd cycle. my first cycle was exactly a year ago and was terrible. i gained 4 kgs and lost all. i dont think the quality of juice was up to standard (Nomad)and my pct was kuk . im thinking of trying the bulking cycle (by Netro). particular at the intermediate cycle. seems quiet hardcore. im not sure if i should do the bigginner or the intermediate. like i sed iv done roids in the past.

my stats are:

Height - 168 cm
71kg body weight

The intermediate cycle www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/sample-cycles...g/79-bulking-cycle-2
has deca and enanthate for the 1st 6wks which is obviously for bulking. then moves on to test prop which is to lean out a bit, yeah?

my question is that if my aim is to bulk then shouldnt i be running the deca for a longer period?
biginner or intermediate?

Howzit Hardstyle

hows ur diet looking tho?
Can u post it up if u can plz.

Hardstyle. No offense to you but this is excactly how UG labs get a bad rep. No diet, no pct, and then they blame the gear and say: "i dont think the quality of juice was up to standard (nomad)"

If you can please show me your diet and pct and then we can blame the gear for being shit

What was your first cycle?

For a second cycle, esp if the first didn't work so well, is to keep it simple-straight test, enth or cyp, with dbol as a kicker.
Run test cyp/enth 500mg per week split 2 pins per week for 10 weeks and run 40mg per day dbol for the first 4 weeks.
THen start pct 2 weeks after last shot on nolva at 40mg per day for 4 weeks.

You can run some hcg to help you a bit for recovery-start it last three weeks of the cycle and overlap one week into pct.

Make sure you're getting enough protein to make it worthwhile 400g+ per day-lay out your diet for all to critique

If you gained 4kg on your first cycle and lost it all this probably has absolutely nothing to do with the gear and everything to do with the fact that you don't know what you doing.

Firstly, at 71kg, if you put on 4kg you weren't eating enough. Then, to lose it all, you weren't eating enough and you weren't eating properly. And like you said, your PCT was probably kak. I hope you plan to be much more knowledgable for the second cycle.

Yohimbe bro 400g for someone who is 71kgs is far to much,i would only suggest going for maximum 330g top end,with the added carbs and fats that would be more than enough,Hardstyle dude u need to get your diet sorted,u can use 10g of gear a week but if your diet is shite then u are gonna fail to put on any size.

djeasye wrote:

Yohimbe bro 400g for someone who is 71kgs is far to much,i would only suggest going for maximum 330g top end,with the added carbs and fats that would be more than enough,supercharged dude u need to get your diet sorted,u can use 10g of gear a week but if your diet is shite then u are gonna fail to put on any size.

U mean hardstyle?


I suggest u get ur diet in order champ first b4 doing anything, once ur diet is in order and u have been doing it consistent for 3 months than play the gear card. But it wont hurt to ask questions surrounding gear and reading up on this forum to get the gist of things. But read up first than ask questions

djeasye wrote:

Yohimbe bro 400g for someone who is 71kgs is far to much,i would only suggest going for maximum 330g top end,with the added carbs and fats that would be more than enough,supercharged dude u need to get your diet sorted,u can use 10g of gear a week but if your diet is shite then u are gonna fail to put on any size.

330mg per week test seems a little low for a second cycle-a few older guys I know use 250mg per week for trt.

Diet definitely needs to be looked at though. And have an anti E on cycle-letro or adex-in case of gyno/estrogen sides

Yohimbe wrote:

djeasye wrote:

Yohimbe bro 400g for someone who is 71kgs is far to much,i would only suggest going for maximum 330g top end,with the added carbs and fats that would be more than enough,supercharged dude u need to get your diet sorted,u can use 10g of gear a week but if your diet is shite then u are gonna fail to put on any size.

330mg per week test seems a little low for a second cycle-a few older guys I know use 250mg per week for trt.

Diet definitely needs to be looked at though. And have an anti E on cycle-letro or adex-in case of gyno/estrogen sides

UMMMM champ i was talking about protein at 330g,test i always suggest minimum 500mg a week for when on cycle...

SNOK1986 wrote:

djeasye wrote:

Yohimbe bro 400g for someone who is 71kgs is far to much,i would only suggest going for maximum 330g top end,with the added carbs and fats that would be more than enough,supercharged dude u need to get your diet sorted,u can use 10g of gear a week but if your diet is shite then u are gonna fail to put on any size.

U mean hardstyle?


I suggest u get ur diet in order champ first b4 doing anything, once ur diet is in order and u have been doing it consistent for 3 months than play the gear card. But it wont hurt to ask questions surrounding gear and reading up on this forum to get the gist of things. But read up first than ask questions

yea i mean hardstyle,was replying off my phone couldnt see the first post

djeasye wrote:

Yohimbe wrote:

djeasye wrote:

Yohimbe bro 400g for someone who is 71kgs is far to much,i would only suggest going for maximum 330g top end,with the added carbs and fats that would be more than enough,supercharged dude u need to get your diet sorted,u can use 10g of gear a week but if your diet is shite then u are gonna fail to put on any size.

330mg per week test seems a little low for a second cycle-a few older guys I know use 250mg per week for trt.

Diet definitely needs to be looked at though. And have an anti E on cycle-letro or adex-in case of gyno/estrogen sides

UMMMM champ i was talking about protein at 330g,test i always suggest minimum 500mg a week for when on cycle...

Sorry DJ-rushing out and just scanned the post.

Sorry guys. Seems like i missed most of the discussiion.

Firstly my cycle consisted of

1st five weeks:
Deca (organon) at 1ml a wk
sust 250 (organon) 1ml a wk
Dbol (blue 10mg) 20mg every training day

last 5 wks
Test Cyp (nomad) - 2ml a wk
Equipose (nomad) - 2ml a wk

I picked up 3kgs in the first 3 wks alone. the nomad Dbol was excellent. i could feel results almost immediately both muscular and strength. The 1st 5 weeks were looking good up until i started the Test Cypionate and Equipose. I gained very little and at 1 stage i thought i was picking up fat.

supplments
I used O.N 100%whey (4scoops a day)
Animal pack (every training day)
O.N amino's
USN fast grow mass (for carbs) :laugh:

diet (this is whereim gona get hammered)
honestly speaking i dont believe i was eating clean. yes i pumped the protein and carbs, but my food was/still is very oily. i didnt really follow any particular diet. I had 2 egg whites for breakfast + toast and a scoop whey protein. At 11am i would have my mass gainer. At 1pm i would have lunch which primarily consisted of meat sandwitches with sauce. 3pm another scoop whey. 8pm i would have a scoop of whey protein (after training)and then supper (either rice or meat) with curry and my last scoop of whey before bedtime.

Another point to note was that my body was constantly tired throughout the 10wk course.

PCT
I was instructed by a certain sum1 from the steroid community (not from any website)to run EITHER clomid or nolva for 30 days after my last shot. i ran Nolva and 2 weeks after my last shot I slipped into a manic depression. Some of you might remember this from Bodybuilder.co.za. it was madness felt like i was gona die. i was told to stop the Nolvadex because it contained the female hormone estrogen im assuming is the reason why i lost those gains???

doing a pct is going to be a bit tough. Many guys say clomid effects their mood and emotions alot more than nolvadex, so you gonna have to think carefully about this one.

Ive also heard Equi has potential to cause depresion like sides and paranoia, so maybe it wasnt nolva that messed you up. this is 1 of the reasons for other guys reading this should run just 1 injectable on the first cycle so it will be easier to figure out what has caused what side effects.

Dbols seem to make some people lethargic. Ive experienced this aswell a few times using dbol and sometimes not.

DIET!!!! all im gonna say.

Hardstyle wrote:

Firstly my cycle consisted of
1st five weeks:
Deca (organon) at 1ml a wk
sust 250 (organon) 1ml a wk
Dbol (blue 10mg) 20mg every training day

last 5 wks
Test Cyp (nomad) - 2ml a wk
Equipose (nomad) - 2ml a wk

I picked up 3kgs in the first 3 wks alone. the nomad Dbol was excellent. i could feel results almost immediately both muscular and strength. The 1st 5 weeks were looking good up until i started the Test Cypionate and Equipose. I gained very little and at 1 stage i thought i was picking up fat.

You really need to learn how to use gear before you jump in start injecting yourself. You were a jackass and now its time to redeem yourself. READ READ READ and LEARN LEARN LEARN.
Ther is not much point using Deca or EQ for 5 weeks. Ja by running them back to back you'll get the anabolic effects from them but then you might as well just have run more test, cause your not getting and of the specific benefits of running these compounds. And was that your first cycle? Cause then it should not have had Deca and EQ in it in the first place.
Your downturn in gains after week five may have something to do with switching to NOMAD, or it might be because all the compound in Weeks 1-5 are geared towards water retention and in Weeks 5-10 drier gains, so you may have interpretted water as gains.

supplments
I used O.N 100%whey (4scoops a day)
Animal pack (every training day)
O.N amino's
USN fast grow mass (for carbs) :laugh:

diet (this is whereim gona get hammered)
honestly speaking i dont believe i was eating clean. yes i pumped the protein and carbs, but my food was/still is very oily. i didnt really follow any particular diet. I had 2 egg whites for breakfast + toast and a scoop whey protein. At 11am i would have my mass gainer. At 1pm i would have lunch which primarily consisted of meat sandwitches with sauce. 3pm another scoop whey. 8pm i would have a scoop of whey protein (after training)and then supper (either rice or meat) with curry and my last scoop of whey before bedtime.

Excuse me? Pumping down the carb and protein? You were eating enough to support a 14 year old girl and you expected to grow and keep your gains? HAHAHA, no bru. Seriously, before you use gear you need to sort out your diet and learn how to EAT!!!

Another point to note was that my body was constantly tired throughout the 10wk course.

This is because your body was not being fed enough and as a result you were over training.

PCT
I was instructed by a certain sum1 from the steroid community (not from any website)to run EITHER clomid or nolva for 30 days after my last shot. i ran Nolva and 2 weeks after my last shot I slipped into a manic depression. Some of you might remember this from Bodybuilder.co.za. it was madness felt like i was gona die. i was told to stop the Nolvadex because it contained the female hormone estrogen im assuming is the reason why i lost those gains???

There is no female hormones in Nolva. The depression you were getting was from low testosterone and is natural after a cycle. Running HCG during cycle and in PCT will help with recovery and shorter and lessen the impact of this time frame.

BB_guy wrote:

doing a pct is going to be a bit tough. Many guys say clomid effects their mood and emotions alot more than nolvadex, so you gonna have to think carefully about this one.

Ive also heard Equi has potential to cause depresion like sides and paranoia, so maybe it wasnt nolva that messed you up. this is 1 of the reasons for other guys reading this should run just 1 injectable on the first cycle so it will be easier to figure out what has caused what side effects.

Dbols seem to make some people lethargic. Ive experienced this aswell a few times using dbol and sometimes not.

well noted...

I sure wil run Hcg in my nxt cycle+pct. Im glad u managed to pin it down inja. As 4 my diet i believe that ws th biggest contributing factor whch hamperd th success of my cycle.

Exactly hw iz a 71kg 168cm guy suppose 2 EAT whn on a cycle? Wat will be enough? Wat wont? Can Any1 advise? Thng iz i can read thru th hundred flex mags that i have, bt none of th diet plans in thr will be as practical as ths. No response, feedbak etc.

You can start by adding 500-1000 clean as possible calories to a normal diet.
To work out how many cal you need on a norm day you need to calculate ur BMR and energy you expend during traning.But honestly you could put on a good few kg without gear at your weight.hardgainers are a mith in my book. Eat right for 1 year and then see if you are a hard gainer or not.dont be scared to gain a lil fat.Dudes worry to much about staying lean and then under eat.

*********(THIS IS COURTESY OF DJ)********

Katch-McArdle formula (BMR based on lean body weight)

If you have had your body composition tested and you know your lean body mass, then you can get the most accurate BMR estimate of all. This formula from Katch & McArdle takes into account lean mass and therefore is more accurate than a formula based on total body weight. The Harris Benedict equation has separate formulas for men and women because men generally have a higher LBM and this is factored into the men's formula. Since the Katch-McArdle formula accounts for LBM, this single formula applies equally to both men and women.

BMR (men and women) = 370 + (21.6 X lean mass in kg)

Example:
You are female
You weigh 120 lbs. (54.5 kilos)
Your body fat percentage is 20% (24 lbs. fat, 96 lbs. lean)
Your lean mass is 96 lbs. (43.6 kilos)
Your BMR = 370 + (21.6 X 43.6) = 1312 calories

To determine TDEE from BMR, you simply multiply BMR by the activity multiplier:

Example:
Your BMR is 1312
Your activity level is moderately active (work out 3-4 times per week)
Your activity factor is 1.55
Your TDEE = 1.55 X 1312 = 2033 calories

Here is the link to that thread.Read the whole thing .Then start a new thread in the diet section with Question you have regarding the diet you constructed.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/10-diet...eating-your-own-diet

Thanks Buddy

i'll have a look at the link and get back to you guys.

Hey bud...

Im about half way through the Beginner Bulking Cycle and things are going very well. Considering that im sitting in the middle of nowhere in Asia i can't be too picky with my diet and so i shovel everything i can in. Don't be too hasty about jumping to cycles that "look" hardcore too you. You can do the Beginner Bulker and if done properly it WILL work for you. Listen to the advice given to you by the guys so far.

Stay safe..

Mr M wrote:

Hey bud...

Im about half way through the Beginner Bulking Cycle and things are going very well. Considering that im sitting in the middle of nowhere in Asia i can't be too picky with my diet and so i shovel everything i can in. Don't be too hasty about jumping to cycles that "look" hardcore too you. You can do the Beginner Bulker and if done properly it WILL work for you. Listen to the advice given to you by the guys so far.

Stay safe..

thanks 4 th feedbak... Yeah il have to 1st get my diet sorted. So wat ur teln me iz that u NOT necessarily eating clean? U jus eating watever u can put down?

So what you telling me is your still a teenager? Or illiterate?

Inja wrote:

So what you telling me is your still a teenager? Or illiterate?

Inja strikes again

I don't think anybody here wants to strain there eyes struggling to understand:
"So wat ur teln me iz that u nt really Zanta?"