First cycle

Hi there,

I have been working very hard in the gym for the last 12 weeks and I am frustrated at the moment, The results I saw in the first 6 weeks have not changed exept for some strenght increases my size has stayed the same.

Thus I have decided to start a cycle but I need some assistance to do it right,What would be the best for me, some suggest a test cycle for the first time, but I am not keen on the water retention, I have friends that are on Winny only cycles and this seem to do the trick? I have an idea for my first cycle:

Firstly you would like to bulk up and then do a cutting cycle:

My first cycle I thought of doing this:

Week 1-8,300Mg DECA/week and 20Mg Dinabol per day
Week 9&11 25Mg Clomid per day

After this I would rest for 10 weeks and then follow up with a Winny,test cycle?

My stats are as follows:

Height: 183
Weight: 97
Bicep: 40Cm
Chest: 111Cm
Waist: 98Cm

Please assist?

0mg Test + 300mg Deca = Major shutdown!
Test is a must, at least 1.5 times the amount of deca your taking.

Id do

week 1-4 dbol 40mg for the first week than 30mg from 2nd week
week 1-10/12 500mg testen
week 1-10/12 300mg deca

PCT
week 12-14 HCG or pregnyl @ 1500iu first pin than cut down to 500iu until finished.
week 14 clomid 5 days on 5 days off 5 days on

If u do the course for 12 weeks than start the HCG from the 14th week.

SNOK1986 wrote:

Id do

week 1-4 dbol 40mg for the first week than 30mg from 2nd week
week 1-10/12 500mg testen
week 1-10/12 300mg deca

PCT
week 12-14 HCG or pregnyl @ 1500iu first pin than cut down to 500iu until finished.
week 14 clomid 5 days on 5 days off 5 days on

If u do the course for 12 weeks than start the HCG from the 14th week.

Thanks,

I Like this cycel is the Mg's based on my weight or a general rule of use?
What gains can I expect from this cycle and would it make a big difference if the Clomis is swopped for HGH?

Keen to start!! :woohoo:

No problem

No its not adjusted to ur weight, its just a basic course irrelevant of ur size.

Since its ur first cycle probably around 8 - 10kgs, first cycle u always gain the most.

Unfortunately you must have the HCG since deca shuts u down quite heavily, u will need it to recover.

You might gain water since its a pure bulking course. But you can combat that with letrozole if you want. @ .3mg a day.

So u wud prob need.

2 bottles x PGW test enathate 300mg
1 bottle x PGW deca 350mg
50 - 60 dbol 10mg tabs
Clomid box of 10
2 boxes of pregnyl

Shit,

Seems like quite a costly cycle, I recon I can do the letrozole from day one for as long as I do the course?

It really seems like a complicated course for me beeing a future first timer, is there nothing less complicated for example sticking to 2 or max 3 products just to get into the thing?

Thanks

You could do this if its gonna be to expensive.

Week 1-4 Dbol @ 40mg a day for the first week than 30mg from the 2nd week.
week 1-12 testen @ 600mg a week

pct

week 13 kesser @ 40mg for the first 2weeks than 20mg until u finish the rest.

Make sure ur diet is in tip top shape as well.

Beastie wrote:

Seems like quite a costly cycle,

Thats cheap boet compared to what some people do.

Save bucks then do a cycle. You shouldn't play in the AAS game if you want to do it on a budget because the bigger you get the more and more expensive products you'll have to use.

vega5 wrote:

Save bucks then do a cycle. You shouldn't play in the AAS game if you want to do it on a budget because the bigger you get the more and more expensive products you'll have to use.

That is prob a wise idea, rather do something and do it properly.

Sure,

Should Actually not complain about price I Used to spend R1200 a month on Supplements, creatine, protein,Nitrox,GAC,Fat burner,Meal replacements,etc! HAHA what a joke if I spend all that money on juice I could have been a Legend by now!

I Will do some more Digging and start my cycle on the 1st of Feb 2010, gives me enough time to make up my mind and and get my "shit" together Literally and Figuratively! is that a word?

Any Sciencetist on the forum, maybe someone can develop a one bottle coctail?

Beastie wrote:

Any Sciencetist on the forum, maybe someone can develop a one bottle coctail?

If u get one than everyone is gonna want their own special mix but most AAS has diff half lives so wud be kind of stupid e,g tarus shit mex or dex or what ever kak it is, but there r a few products that r mixed.

SNOK1986 wrote:

No problem

No its not adjusted to ur weight, its just a basic course irrelevant of ur size.

Since its ur first cycle probably around 8 - 10kgs, first cycle u always gain the most.

Unfortunately you must have the HCG since deca shuts u down quite heavily, u will need it to recover.

You might gain water since its a pure bulking course. But you can combat that with letrozole if you want. @ .3mg a day.

So u wud prob need.

2 bottles x PGW test enathate 300mg
1 bottle x PGW deca 350mg
50 - 60 dbol 10mg tabs
Clomid box of 10
2 boxes of pregnyl

Hi Bud,

I found this post that supports your suggestion, I think I will spend the cash and do it like this

In order to kick start a dianabol cycle, usually what you do is incorporate a fast acting oral like dianabol (or anadrol) and combine it with long acting injectables (such as Deca or Eq with some Testosterone). The reasoning here is that the oral (Dbol in this case) will give almost immediate results, while the injectable takes time to produce results. The end result is that you start seeing results within the first week of your cycle and continue up until the end with the injectables. This entails taking anywhere from 25-50mgs of dbol (although as little as 20mgs or as much as 100mgs have been reported) for 3-6 weeks at the start of a cycle (average time for a "Kick Start" is 4 weeks, though), and then ceasing their use as the injectables start to produce results.

In order to successfully bridge between cycles (and this means using a low dose of AAS, in this case dbol), you need to recover your natural hormonal levels to pre-cycle levels or to within acceptable parameters, and then you start your next cycle. The idea here is that you won´t lose any gains, but rather a low dose of an AAS will help you maintain them. Typically, you´d use around 10mgs/day of dbol and combine it with an aggressive Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT) course of Nolvadex (and/or Clomid) and HCG. This would give you full androgen replacement from the Dbol and a shot at recovering your natural hormonal levels via the other stuff you are taking. Remember, the 100mg/day dose of dbol in the study we looked at earlier did not suppress Test, LH, or FSH to a degree that would make recovery impossible and certainly not with 1/10th that dose in conjunction with an aggressive PCT.

All in all, this is a very good drug, and a potent tool for quick gains or retaining gains...when used properly and safely.

Dbol Facts
[17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1,4-androstadien-3-one]
Molecular Weight: 300.44
Formula: C20H28O2
Melting Point: N/A
Manufacturer: Ciba (originally)
Release Date: 1956
Effective dose: 25-50mgs (as low as 10 and as high as 100 have been reported)
Active Life: 6-8hours
Detection Time: up to 6 weeks
Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 90-210:40-60

References:
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Well there we go

I wouldn't try anything like a dbol bridge. You need to be able to read your body well before trying that type of thing ( I did try dbol in pct at 10mg last cycle and was fairly happy with the results)

On a first cycle I would leave the deca and just go with the test and dbol kicker-deca is very suppressive as Snok says and it's best to start with a single compound and a kicker so you can gauge how your body reacts and how you recover.
THen you can start adding compounds slowly in subsequent cycles.

Make sure of your goals and diet-test and dbol is a mass cycle as there will be water retention. Make sure you use the anti e and have a solid pct. If you're running a 10 weeker, I would add the HCG in week 4-5 at 1500 IU per week and then again in week 11-13 at 1500 IU per week, with nolva at 40mg per day weeks 12-16.

Lay out your diet as well as this is as important as the AAS-without adequate protein you get the results from AAS.

I didn't read this thread because I'm ion a hurry, but from your post you said you been in gym for 12 weeks?!?

I don't remember your history before these 12 weeks, but I think your looking for the easy way out if that's the case. Please re-post full stats including gym history.

If your strength increases but you aren't growing,it means you are not eating enough calories.Hence,juice is not the solution.EAT MORE!!!!

Juice wont make you grow on a poor diet.

Beastie wrote:

Hi there,

I have been working very hard in the gym for the last 12 weeks and I am frustrated at the moment, The results I saw in the first 6 weeks have not changed exept for some strenght increases my size has stayed the same.

Thus I have decided to start a cycle but I need some assistance to do it right,What would be the best for me, some suggest a test cycle for the first time, but I am not keen on the water retention, I have friends that are on Winny only cycles and this seem to do the trick? I have an idea for my first cycle:

Firstly you would like to bulk up and then do a cutting cycle:

My first cycle I thought of doing this:

Week 1-8,300Mg DECA/week and 20Mg Dinabol per day
Week 9&11 25Mg Clomid per day

After this I would rest for 10 weeks and then follow up with a Winny,test cycle?

My stats are as follows:

Height: 183
Weight: 97
Bicep: 40Cm
Chest: 111Cm
Waist: 98Cm

Please assist?

bro did u get your diet from me? i am sure i did a diet for someone who said they where doing a cutting program but was getting leaner but picked up some strength but never heard from them again...

Hi Guys, Thanks,

I have been gyming for 3 odd years but never really id it to gain anything just to stay fit and relax, Late last year however I decided to go bog and i got the urge to Gym myself into a Super human. Thus I have been in the gYm every day for the last 12 weeks taking weekends and the odd week day off when my body really felt sore.Must say staying focused during the holidays was a killer but it s over now and my Gym buddy is back, he stopped gyming for a Month to go on hiliday and still beats me in the gym, must say he has been gyming for 25 years and is quite a BIG Mother F***** but still I felt that I should have improved?

I have had a few diets and thru the forum I put myself a nice dieet in place I am sure it is not perfect But I burn fat and I gain strength thru this, my muscles are rock hard But still I struggle to gain real size :

Morning : 4 Eggs, Oatmeal, Activia Yogurt( always a wheat cerial and protein)

Meal 2 : Protein shake,300Gr Lean meat,fish or chicken

Meal 3: Again 300 Gr Lean Meat ,Fish or Chicken and Vegies double the amount as my protein and Brown rice .

Meal 4 : Same as meal 2 if possible otherwise I stick to a Protein shake or Honey coated cerial.( I know byt it is difficult to stick to a menu while working) I have 3 bags full of food I carry around with my Laptop!

Meal 5: I try and have after my 4 O Clock gym Session and is always Protein within 30MIn after I have finished my workout.

Meal 6: I have some provitas or a light tuna at night followed by a protein shake .

I honestly live on Protein And I get plenty of Greenies in During the weekend I absolutely make it a point not to eat junk foods and take in Quality food.

I think I have reached a point where it will take my natural body very long to get better, i know I am on my natural limit,Can feel it, I can do 5 pull ups with one arm how much stronger can I get? Now is the time for Juice in my view?

I see my friends who stareted Gyming long after me and they have reached heights I can only dream of, I am also not getting any younger this year I need to play my last year of rugby and I want to do it good!

Hope this helps You and me?

Your meal plan looks lacking in carbs and fats.
If im bulking I need to eat MINIMUM 50g carbs with each meal.
Also dont see any of the good fats added to your diet.
If you add +- 50g complex carbs to each meal I am positive you will grow. Add 50g simple carbs post workout.

These simple changes will help I gaurantee !!!

This sux to hear but you can probably still grow without gear.

Champ u need carbs big time.

Thanks BB,

I will be going on any way and hit the gym harder still, I am firm believer that hard work pays off in hard results! Will add some carbs and let you know after a month or so.

Well i want my biceps to be 60 at least so until that happens I will hit the gym, not sure at what age you should stop but I recon 70 is not bad?HAHAHA

70 why not 80 AHAHAH just kiddin

This is what I would do.

Swope the shake from meal 2 to meal 1(preferably whey)

Add carbs to meal 2 (50g)

If meal 4 is pre workout have complex and simple carbs and protein.

if Meal 5 is post workout have whey and simple carbs(most important meal of the day)

Meal 6 Also dont be scared to eat in the evening if you are bulking. This would be your 2nd post workout meal so to speak. Consume 40g protein and 50g complex carbs.

If you can afford it get a casien protein powder for bedtime.

Last thing, 300g at a time of meat(60+ grams protein) is too much and will get "wasted".
Try adding in another meal or 2 and take some of the protein from the other meals.

i wouldnt up the carbs by more than 100g for now,aiming to add 50g post work out and 25g in each of the other meals, add some additional fats to your diet, for alot of people who seem to put on plenty mud when bulking lowering the carbs slightly and upping the fats is a good idea,fats take longer to digest than carbs and dont spike insulin. the 100g of extra carbs a day will be fine but look to add 40g of additional healthy fats to bulk up on the calories a bit...