Novice Cycle

I am currently planning a second cycle with the eye on gaining mass. I am currently 81kg, 8-10% BF, 1.73m, age 26, training experience about 10 years. I have done a Anavar and Havoc cycle and responded pretty well, gained about 1-2kgs, crazy vascularity and strength.

The goal in the second cycle is to gain mass with minimum water retention through estrogen management. The outline for the cycle is as follows, please comment and advise where you can:

500mg/week Sustanon (Organon) spread over every 5 days (10 weeks)
250mg/week Deca Durabolin (Organon) every week (8 weeks)
30mg/day Dianabol (4 weeks)
0.5mg arimidex every other day (10 weeks) then switch to 40mg/day Nolvadex (4 weeks)
50mg/day Proviron (10 weeks)
4 i.u./day IGF-LR3 (Igtropin) (start week 4 to week 12)
1500 i.u./week hCG (from week 5 to week 12)

post cycle:
first 2 weeks 1500 i.u. hCG (week 10 to week 12)
40mg/day Nolvadex (week 10 to week 14)
50mg/day Clomid (week 10 to week 14)
4 i.u./day IGF-LR3 (week 10 to 12)
120mcg/day clenbuterol (week 10 to 12)

Diet will be bulking at minimum 5000kcal/day:
protein 400-500g/day (1600kcal - 2000kcal)
carbs (low G.I. except for post training nutrition) 500-800g/day (2000kcal - 3200kcal)
fats (omega 3,6,9)

I intend on having a full hormone panel test and liver values test done after PCT.

Wassup man:
Ok you seem to have done adequate research there are some minor adjustments i would make and some things you should be aware of.

- I would change out the oragon products to PGW, especially with regard to the test, PGW supertest is a better product and hurts a hell of a lot less.
- I would say take a longer cycle and finish off the test and deca at the same time, 10 weeks would be the minimum minimum for both. 12 being closer to ideal.
- Your choice of gear is going to pack on the water wether you manage the estrogen or not.(deca, sust and dbol) is basically the perfect recipe for water. If you want to avoid this you could go with a longer test and EQ cycle, i believe the muscle gains are better and easier to keep. If you are set on deca throw winny into the window between end cycle and PCT to help cut the water.
- When you go off the arimidex let the kessar and tapering off period overlap, ie continue use and taper off a-dex during 1st week PCT.
- Remember you cant go straight from shooting into PCT. The above mentioned window of 2 weeks should be taken between last shot and the kessar.
- Also you can drop the proviron it is not neccessary.
- Presume you are using the clen to stay anabolic, use it from week "10-14" or even 16, 2 weeks is almost pointless.
- ha ha and i never thought i would say this to any one trying to bulk but at your size i think you have bitten off more than you can chew with regards to your diet, excess isnt always good. I weigh 112kg and only polish off about 450g of protein a day. Revise this a bit or hook up a diet programme from DJ.

All the best hope it helps!

Dude i honestly think that 5000 cals for someone who is 81kgs is overkill,u are going to gain a shit load of fat,and u are going to gain a shit load of water,what u have to remember for every 1g of carbs your body holds in the muscle u will retain 3g of water.second off any additional carbs that u don't use through out the day will be stored as fat,carbs are energy and unless u have a metabolism that is far too fast u are going to gain a shit load of fat.also i don't think u are going to physically be able to fit 5000 clean calories into your stomach...go and cook 500g of carbs,that about 900g raw weight of oats or 600g raw weight of brown rice,and even if u half that and are having plenty simple carbs from dextrose/maltodextrin from mass gainers u are going to feel ill the whole time and will be unable to eat...i think u need to re look at your whole approach in a big way.and also why the igf on your second cycle?u will grow fine just on test alone!!

Thank you for your replies. Can you please suggest a more manageable caloric intake during this cycle, must I attempt to consume about 4000kcal, maintenance is about 3000kcal for me. Will a 1000kcal energy excess be sufficient to achieve optimal results during this cycle.
The IGF I want to experiment with, HGH is also an option as pharmagrade is readily available where I live (so is most pharmagrade AAS, OTC at most pharmacies).
Another issue of concern is acne, I am aware that it is an individual thing, but are there any precautions one can take to minimize the possibility of this dreaded skin condition from occuring? Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge.

bobmugababol wrote:

..... as pharmagrade is readily available where I live (so is most pharmagrade AAS, OTC at most pharmacies)............

WHERE DO YOU LIVE?!?!?!? :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

bro its your second cycle,save the igf and hgh for a long time coming... it like stubbing your toe and instead of putting a plaster on it and taking panado, u go and put it in a plaster cast and take morphine... u will grow without all of that. u can email me for a custom diet(EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED) but i do charge for them but at least we will be able to monitor your growth and fat gain weekly. get tetralysil for the acne.

I live in the Middle East, no recreational drugs really, but loads of gear! haha! How much do you charge Bro? Isn't using an antibiotic such as tetracycline counterproductive during a cycle? Plus the added stress to the liver when using dianabol too. Is megadoses of vitamin B5 not effective at controlling oily skin?

Listen i wouldnt call the tetracycline counterproductive, but yes it is going to put added strain on your system. As for the B5 cant comment, never heard of anyone using it for that reason.

The adex should keep the acne under controll though....

Then your only other option if you dont want to go the tetracycline route is topical treatment, the best being isotrex (isotretinoin) which you can just apply when you see early signs of acne and it will clear up.

Peace

Finasteride EOD along with the A-dex. Acne is a by-product of a strong androgen presence (further aggravated by 5-alpha reductase). If you did not have acne problems as a teen the effect of steroids on your skin will be minimal though.

very informative post and replies from all ppl! think everyone should read this one!