Running HCG during cycle

I'm very confused as why you would run HCG during your cycle ?

HCG starts sends a msg to the testis to start producing test again if im correct ? and now you already got all this test in your body so why would your body start wanted to produce its own natural test if there is already enough ?

Its more a case of stimulating test production occasionally during a long cycle in order to make post cycle recovery quicker and easier, by keepin the testes in a productive state. Similar to how one may start a car once a week when its not being driven in order to keep the battery charged

It's a good analogy spike! is there actually scientific proof that this works ?l am still struggeling to believe that your body would start producing its own testoterone when it's natural amount is say 100mg a week and now u have 700mg of test in your body - the body is not stupid it wont start producing its own testosterone (thats why the testis shut down) so does the HCG really really start activating them again - like telling them they have no choice wether there is an over amount of test in the body or not.. ?? just dont want to waste cash..

if your body needs to produce test, it needs to be signalled to do so. Taking gear negatively impacts this through negative feed-back loops so when you come off a cycle, there is a good chance you wont produce test as signals have been absent for a while, so HCG keeps the signalling going so when you come off a cycle, your body will produce natural test...this is why PCT is so important

Thanks Beesting! I know it is imperative to use HCG during PCT. It starting to make more sense now. Will your body still let the HCG in and work to start sending those signals if they body doesn't see the need for it during the cycle ?

Well the HCG will still work as a signalling molecule but u still wont produce the test because of the negative feed back but it still keeps the signalling cascades going for quicker recovery when you do come off the cycle

If you dont keep the signalling cascades going, then your body "unlearns" to use them, if that makes any sense

HCG is a gonadotropin, meaning it is a hormone that stimulates the gonads (the testes in your case). It is actually found in pregnant women normally and when injected into your body it mimics LH (lutenizing hormone), the hormone secreted by the pituitary gland to stimulate testo production from the testes. The negative feedback loop that shuts down test production occurs in the hypothalamus, which in turn controls pituitary secretions. This negative feedback will decrease LH levels and thus stop test production. Introducing HCG will stimulate the testes in the absence of LH, to produce test.
While this test production will be short lived the actual reason behind using HCG during cycle is to prevent complete atrophy of the testes (no stimulation will lead to atrophy of testes and a decrease in their potential to produce test), thus allowing quicker recovery post cycle (full production potential maintained.

Phew....
Hope that explains it

Good post spike, that pretty much covers it, here have some karma

100 % got it thanks spike bud!

Pleasure, haha... That took me back to Physiology II

spike wrote:

Pleasure, haha... That took me back to Physiology II

At least we know u studied than

Spike pretty much summed it up but since one or two people got it slightly wrong I just want to clarify.

You body WILL produce test on cycle when HCG is used. It won't not produce test in the prensence of tremendous amounts of exogenous hormones in the system because the HCG doesn't give it a choice. Like Spike said, the HCG mimics LH activity and once bound to receptors it sends the message that test must be made. The body is recieveing signals that there is too much test and it must stop making LH, and it does (negative feedback), but the HCG is introduced without the bodies control and thus still activates the testes to produce test. It fools the testes if you will.

Anyways, just wanted a say
Have some karma spike, good post.

Ok so I gather it will be best to run HCG during the last 2-3-4 weeks of your cycle to help with PCT

Thanks Inja.

Mind you that not all cycles will not need HCG. I have come of a 14 weeks cycle recently just with Clomid and Nolvadex after 800 mgs of test per week just fine. Only lost 2 kgs. HCG misuse and mistakes follow with some nasty permanent side effects

Lesa - what did your cycle consist of ? how much did you pick up ? when would u recommend using hcg ?

My cycle was 14 weeks of 800 mgs test cyp with first 4 weeks 50 mgs Test prop eod frontload. I didnt use hcg because i actually am not in SA at the moment and I couldnt carry it around with me. I came off following docs PCT protocol with double dosages of clomid and Nolvadex. I put on abround 11 KGS lost about 2-2.5. I was however on Adex throughout the whole cycle so my estrogen lvls were not high when coming off. Normally I would use small dosages of HCG starting it somewhere near the end of the cycle then discontinue it during PCT. One issue i am having right now is that my face has got a lot of acne. Very irritating and nasty looking not happy about it at all.

Good job with holding the mass bro, shows good diet and training.. Just be careful, if you still got the acne when you get back you may be struggling to recover (acne is a sign of hormone imbalances) and might need to hit an extended PCT. God luck though.

Yep thats whats been worrying me too. Also my girl is in SA so I am not really sure if my libido is 100 % either yet. The morning glory is deffinately gone now and i dont feel horny at all annymore so I am worried that libido might be an issue. Ill be in SA within 2 weeks though then I will be able to get ahold of my pharmacist and maybe do a small HCG protocol as well.

Get hold of your girlfriend then as well :haha

I always hate giving this advice out (sorry in advance) but try forced masturbation in her absence. Can help with libido issue by sending positive feedback messages to the brain that sperm is now needed.

Get some cilias to help get the boy working again.. then once he has had a tast the male instinct will kick in full force! haha

Hi Bro, if u can get ur hands on it, try the dopamine agonist, cabergoline, name Dostinex, apparently its postive effects on libido has been well established. This drug also has the wonderful "side effect" of possibly eliminating the male refraction period. Some of you may be familiar with it as an alternative to bromocriptine to control prolactin when coming of a nandrolone course.

Inja wrote:

I always hate giving this advice out (sorry in advance) but try forced masturbation in her absence. Can help with libido issue by sending positive feedback messages to the brain that sperm is now needed.

Hehe "forced masturbation" that sounds funny.....