Taking the next step

Guys here attached is my lean mass cycle please go through and comment i will love to get more inputs to this cycle. I did my research really well and this was my conclusion on a nice hard lean mass cycle.

i was thinking of adding t3 but never used it and to be honest afraid of it. advise on t3 will also be awesome

THANX :woohoo:

looks like my file didnt attach just attaching it again

roozer you bloody newbie :blush: (File Removed)

yes u are a noob,the fact u want to take tren in your first cycle is not a good idea and then combine that with deca is a no no no....also the brand u are planning to use looks like nomad if i am not mistaken,change that very fast...your first cycle should just be test and dbol and kessar and as pct...keep it simple..

no no haha i mean i am a noob with this forum.

This is my 6th cycle and no tren 200 is from axio all products are from GLobal, pgw, and axio. I used nomad before but didnt get the necessary results. this is the first time i am on tren though.

Hey Dodo:
Well axio are also sh1t and i cant really grasp the format of your cycle.

But none the less if you decide to use 2 19-nors your dick will fall off. Choose - Deca+Sust+winstrol Cycle or Tren ace+Prop+ winstrol cycle those will be your best options. also no kessar in PCT?? 6TH cycle?? HCG?? 10MG D-bol (a mouse wont get gains)??

Revise it bru we can help from a point throw some stats our way.

Peace

why deca why would you want to use deca? You like having a heavy recovery? You injured? Scratch the shit out and put some Equi there. I love your PCT .... clomid only? Come on with tren and deca you should be wacking HCG all the way throughout .

Moose
Look again its 10mg dbol tabs, and on the right it says 5.
50mg.

Ah ha n3rd:
Thanx as I said My computer didnt let his exel sheet work. But still, cycle length? Kessar? Hcg? 2 19-nor? No stats to work with.
Roozer help us so we can help you. Dont mess yourself up bru!
Peace

i appreciate the feedback guys. sorry i see that my cycle sheet is a little incomplete with my pct. i use pregnyl 2500 iu eod. it works well as a pct with clomid. the kessar does not gel to well with me i feel it downgrades the deca. and Yes i love using deca. the winstrol usually dries me up and will rather stick with deca as it worked everytime for me.

In the past I used the norm of deca, sus and winstrol. I am very prone to get heavy water retension with plain cyponaite en enthanate.

Okay the dianabol. on the sheet its the 10mg dianabol. but the total of 5 tablets a dy is 50 mg. If that clears it up.

Proviron usually stops conversion to estrogen in place of kessar what can one use as hcg throughout the course. like i said i hate that crap.

Stats bodyweight - 103 KG
bodyfat - 14.6% Kg( bulked up alot )strength went
through the roof
height - 1.76m

cycle length 9 weeks.

what will you guys recommend in place of 2 19-nors leave the deca???????? rather use equi or a test e??

oh ja, brands why axio shit and what would you recommend?????????

Roozer wrote:

i appreciate the feedback guys. sorry i see that my cycle sheet is a little incomplete with my pct. i use pregnyl 2500 iu eod. it works well as a pct with clomid. the kessar does not gel to well with me i feel it downgrades the deca. and Yes i love using deca. the winstrol usually dries me up and will rather stick with deca as it worked everytime for me.

In the past I used the norm of deca, sus and winstrol. I am very prone to get heavy water retension with plain cyponaite en enthanate.

Okay the dianabol. on the sheet its the 10mg dianabol. but the total of 5 tablets a dy is 50 mg. If that clears it up.

Proviron usually stops conversion to estrogen in place of kessar what can one use as hcg throughout the course. like i said i hate that crap.

Stats bodyweight - 103 KG
bodyfat - 14.6% Kg( bulked up alot )strength went
through the roof
height - 1.76m

cycle length 9 weeks.

what is your opinion why not 2 x 19-nors?????

2500IU HCG EOD during your cycle or during PCT?

Axio gets faked a lot. Kessar downgrades Deca? Please explain. Rather use an AI on cycle to combat water retention and so on.

Please don't tell me you think HCG = Kessar. Two totally different things my friend. Run Adex throughout your cycle instead of Proviron.

As for brands any pharma grade is top notch. UG labs = PGW, LP, OC labs are decent

yes i know hcg and kessar are 2 different bodies. i got the axio tested through a pharmacy it is the real deal.

pregnyl on pct. i usually run a 5000iu in 2 weeks lets say 500 iu every other day and then the clomid the next week.

and i will see maybe i must just stop my kak and take the kessar like a man hahaha thanx for the advise guys

Bro, I have only needed to take 2500iu of HCG when I did a year round cycle... 250/500iu is enough...

The ammount of proviron you need to stop estrogen buildup is not worth the money/strain on your body... a 'true AI' would be a better idea.

Also please note that kessar and clomid are near identical compounds, one just being weaker than the other (clomid).

I also don't understand what downgrade deca means?

Roozer wrote:

i appreciate the feedback guys. sorry i see that my cycle sheet is a little incomplete with my pct. i use pregnyl 2500 iu eod.thats to much,u can go sterile if u use to much pregyl,250iu to 500iu max eod. it works well as a pct with clomid. the kessar does not gel to well with me i feel it downgrades the deca,the fact that u say it down grades the deca shows u that u know little to nothing about steroids even after 6 cycles,the reason u might feel downgraded or less of an effect is because u are holding less water when using kessar making less water retention in the muscle from your test making your muscle smaller and less strong.plain and simple,u will get the same problem with an AI like arimidex so keep reading dude. and Yes i love using deca. the winstrol usually dries me up and will rather stick with deca as it worked everytime for me.

In the past I used the norm of deca, sus and winstrol. I am very prone to get heavy water retension with plain cyponaite en enthanate.

Okay the dianabol. on the sheet its the 10mg dianabol. but the total of 5 tablets a dy is 50 mg. If that clears it up.

Proviron usually stops conversion to estrogen in place of kessar(dont use proviron for this,use adex as its more effective than both compounds. what can one use as hcg throughout the course. like i said i hate that crap.

Stats bodyweight - 103 KG
bodyfat - 14.6% Kg( bulked up alot )strength went
through the roof
height - 1.76m

cycle length 9 weeks.u have done 6 cycles and u are now only doing 9 weeks? make it 12 and u will be alot better off..

what will you guys recommend in place of 2 19-nors leave the deca???????? rather use equi or a test e?? use tren or deca, thats the bottom line,i would if i was u look at doing a simple cycle of 500-750mg sust and 700mg equi for 10-15weeks.

THANX FOR THE INPUT GUYS.

Well lets say i change it completely

what if i use Test E 600mg per week
Equi 350mg per week pyramiding to 700mg on week 3,4,5
then to get hard masterone and stanzolol tabs the last 6 weeks when my equi is done.

Cycle lenght increased from 9 - 12

HCG with pregnyl 250iu eod
and Kessar 20 mg ED throughout the whole cycle.

this is nice and simple do you guys agree and in your opinion this will build lean mass and with the right diet shedding unwanted baby fat.????????

no kessar through out the cycle,get hold of an AI like adex like its been told to u for the last 4 posts,use either masteron or stanazol,keep the eq at 700mg through out the cycle,use the cycle for 10-15weeks front load with dbol. u should ideally want to cut or gain,choose 1 of the 2,either first cut down to 8% bf then add in your cycle to gain lean mass and keep your abs as a yard stick as to how much BF u are putting on...but dont try and do both at the same time esp if u are over 12% as your body is used to storing calories in the fat cells not utilizing them for muscle building.

okay and with that in mind taking the adex throughout the cycle, altough adex is bloody expensive

use 0.25 - 0.5mg eod through your cycle, that being said if u are looking to run 20mg of kessar for a 14week cycle u are gonna need 3 -4 boxes = same price as getting a-dex

kessar is way to toxic to run for 14 weeks, you will be putting your body under some serious strain... look for LP Adex as its not badly priced or use the Letro route... 0.25 eod or every 3rd day.

DJ wrote:

use 0.25 - 0.5mg eod through your cycle, that being said if u are looking to run 20mg of kessar for a 14week cycle u are gonna need 3 -4 boxes = same price as getting a-dex

DJ the prices you referring to, is that UG or Pharm adex?

okay goeie werk. then adex it is, will you guys add kesser to the pct start lets say the last 2 weeks before pct.

and I will drop the masterone and put in a extra equi

okay summarizing gear:

2 x 10 ml test E form PGW
2 x 10 ml equi 350 from PGW
1 x 50 tabs DBOL PGW
2 x 50 tabs Stanzolol from PGW
1 x 1500 iu Pregnyl from sa Pharm
1 x 10 tabs 3mg/tab from sa Pharm

I think that sums it up for a 12 week cycle

lol BB_guy still can't believe you have that thing I wrote on your profile!

00pump wrote:

lol BB_guy still can't believe you have that thing I wrote on your profile!

Pump Not ripping you at all, just thought it was hilarious and well deserved(well said)

*(you must admit it makes for a classic sig)

BB_guy wrote:

DJ wrote:

use 0.25 - 0.5mg eod through your cycle, that being said if u are looking to run 20mg of kessar for a 14week cycle u are gonna need 3 -4 boxes = same price as getting a-dex

DJ the prices you referring to, is that UG or Pharm adex?

I think UG. Pharma grade Adex is very expensive. If you running 0.5 ED its not bad though in my opinion as one box will take you 60 days. Adex can be taken 0.5 mg EOD as well and works well too.Like pump said kessar is toxic to take throughout the cycle.