Proviron, Nolvadex and first signs of gyno

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25 Mar 2010 16:22 #40884 by akag
I'm three-four weeks into my first cycle, which includes

Stanazol Tabs 100 (10mg)tabs, 3 tabs a day
Proviron 50 (25mg) one tab per day.
Andropen 275 (10ml) once a week

Last week my nipples started to get sensitive to the touch. Nothing looks different but they're definitely more sensitive to the touch. So on Friday last week I got hold of some Nolvadex and took 40 mg for first three days and am now on 20mg once per day. I've also subsequently up'ed my Proviron to 50mg per day, and didn't take my andropen on monday but am aiming to take it tomorrow (so 11 days after last one shot to see if the space in between shots helps)

My nipples are still sensitive to the touch and I'm sure I'm getting a small lump/ on my chest muscle if I grab a chunk of breast fat. However from the outside they my chest and nipples look completely normal. My question is, are my symptoms gyno (especially on the dose of drugs I'm on, which are quite low) and (b) why are my nipples still sensitive - shouldn't the proviron and Nolvadex have kicked in already?

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25 Mar 2010 16:25 #40886 by Empire
Replied by Empire on topic Proviron, Nolvadex and first signs of gyno
what is andropen,get hold of a-dex dude.. dont bother with the kessar for gyno.

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25 Mar 2010 16:26 #40887 by akag
DJ wrote:

what is andropen,get hold of a-dex dude.. dont bother with the kessar for gyno.


Andropen 275 is a five-ester blend of testosterone produced by British Dragon

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25 Mar 2010 16:30 #40890 by BB_guy
Replied by BB_guy on topic Proviron, Nolvadex and first signs of gyno
I don't think you need to worry bro

275mg a week of gear is minimal, and the fact that the Nolva and Proviron aren't helping your "sensitive nipples" makes me think its maybe just in your mind :-)

But i would keep an eye on it, to be on the safe side, or get your doc to check it out....

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25 Mar 2010 18:02 #40897 by akag
BB_guy wrote:

I don't think you need to worry bro

275mg a week of gear is minimal, and the fact that the Nolva and Proviron aren't helping your "sensitive nipples" makes me think its maybe just in your mind :-)

But i would keep an eye on it, to be on the safe side, or get your doc to check it out....


Yeah, that's what I was told too but it sure is sensitive. If I went to my doc for a proper opinion, she'd probably s^%t on me for what I'm on. Thats what I think anyway...

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25 Mar 2010 18:48 #40898 by BB_guy
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Better to not take the chance and go see your Doc if you're concerned. The only way to treat Gyno would be surgery :-O

Either get some Adex or Letro like DJ said, if you plan to continue your cycle...

How long do you plan to run the Andropen and also the Winny ?

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25 Mar 2010 19:20 #40900 by Yohimbe
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How many ml's Andropen are you injecting per week? Is it only 1ml?

I also find it hard to believe that you're getting gyno on this if you're only on 275ml of test per week.

Do as DJ says with the adex, but I just can't see it.

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25 Mar 2010 19:58 #40904 by Roozer
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Maybe it is the return of the stoneys ;)

As ek storm volg my, as ek omdraai skiet my, as ek sterwe wreek my, so help my God

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25 Mar 2010 21:23 #40906 by akag
Yohimbe wrote:

How many ml's Andropen are you injecting per week? Is it only 1ml?

I also find it hard to believe that you're getting gyno on this if you're only on 275ml of test per week.

Do as DJ says with the adex, but I just can't see it.


I am taking 1.5ml a week. I guess I just dont understand then why the nipples are sensitive.

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25 Mar 2010 21:24 #40907 by akag
BB_guy wrote:

Better to not take the chance and go see your Doc if you're concerned. The only way to treat Gyno would be surgery :-O

Either get some Adex or Letro like DJ said, if you plan to continue your cycle...

How long do you plan to run the Andropen and also the Winny ?


I am doing them all for six weeks, so three more shots left of Andropen. My Winstrol has about 1.5 weeks left.

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25 Mar 2010 21:25 #40908 by akag
Roozer wrote:

Maybe it is the return of the stoneys ;)


I never suffered from stoneys as a kid, so can't be.

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25 Mar 2010 21:38 #40911 by akag
Just a thought, but do you think I should I just stick to Nolva, Proviron and Winstrol for now until I see a doc, and rather drop the andropen (test)?

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25 Mar 2010 21:53 #40912 by milktuds
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Maybe if you stop playing with your tits they won't be so sensitive. I doubt you have got gyno. When gyno starts it is painful my friend. The lump you describe must be directly under your nipple, small round thingy. Are your nipples puffy or were they puffy from the start? If so (from the start) then it's the same fat you still have, no new gyno.

What were your gains on this cycle thus far?

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28 Mar 2010 07:43 #41074 by akag
milktuds wrote:

Maybe if you stop playing with your tits they won't be so sensitive. I doubt you have got gyno. When gyno starts it is painful my friend. The lump you describe must be directly under your nipple, small round thingy. Are your nipples puffy or were they puffy from the start? If so (from the start) then it's the same fat you still have, no new gyno.

What were your gains on this cycle thus far?


So I went to the doc and althought she said my pecs feel slightly more
puffy/fuller than normal and that the nipple senstitivity is due to more hormones floating around, which she said will subside when I come off the drugs, she cleared me of gyno.

I've gained 5kgs in 4.5 weeks.

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29 Mar 2010 23:13 #41237 by Inja
akag wrote:

If I went to my doc for a proper opinion, she'd probably s^%t on me for what I'm on. Thats what I think anyway...


Well looks like your worries were for naught?
If she is willing to ask her to work with you on future cycles to get blood work done and monitor kidney and liver function.

If she's youngish and relatively good looking ask if she' like to help you out with the increased sex drive you suffer with on cycle?

Sorry if I offend you
Its just my point of view

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04 Apr 2010 08:58 #41570 by akag
So, I got my blood work back and my results were fine except very high test levels and mild hepatitis. She said they should sort themselves out
once I stop, which I've decided to do ASAP to prevent further liver
damage.

My question is: how soon can I stop the nolvadex and
proviron combo - this is the only thing I'm on at the moment. My last shot of andropen was a week ago and I also ended my winstrol tabs same day. I don't want
to stop too soon as I've heard of nolvadex's rebound effect.

Thoughts?

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06 Apr 2010 07:47 #41666 by jackrabbit1
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akag wrote:

....mild hepatitis...


Is that what he calls slight rise in liver enzyme values?

You get "mild hepatitis" when you go out boozing as well.

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