SuperTest+Deca?

Hi, I just need a quick tip;

1.I need to gain some meat in the ol' calves, and I'm thinking of running a SuperTest+Deca cycle for 12weeks - should I go for it or should I go for a Supertest only cycle? I'm trying to maintain the upper-body while developing the calves and trying to pack as low BF as possible. But as I have skinny calves I have to go for a Bulk cycle ( I think)

2.My dilemma is; everybody I see on gear is getting, or got FAT as sh#t overtime. I want the extra-calf meat but I'm not willing to give up all the rest for it.

If it helps;
28yrs old
1.88m
90kg
11% BF
training for around 9years
I cycle, Bbal, and swim.

Thanks in advanced

To grow calves you have to train them properly. If they dont respond now they also wont while on cycle. Find what works first. Steroids dont automagically make you grow.
Training and eating does.

I know, and I've been getting results, but slow - poor genetics, go figure... I thought I'd even the odds.

I've trained them hard for the last years and only got decent results after my 2 previous cycles (Cyp only). But in those cycles, I've hit all groups equally, this time I'm planning on concentrating on the calves and try to hold back all the rest. I've got a calves 3x/week plan to go for it. but I'll take any advice.

I'm not wishing for a miracle, just trying to wear shorts to the gym

Thanks for the fast reply

Automagically ? Hahahahah haven't heard that one before JR lol

Whats ur plans for pct?

Clomid and Kessar.

what kind of rep range/exercises have you been targeting your calves with?

For calves I do seated calve raises 10 x 12 30 second rest between sets alternate standing raises eod

Hitting your calves with more sessions in the week sounds good. You should be able to bring them up a bit. The rest of your body will also grow with this cycle. As far as fat gain... guys that get fat on cycle don't have their diet in check... If you wanna gain lean and clean your diet will have to be perfect. Eat above maintenance but clean calories only.

Gearedup wrote:

For calves I do seated calve raises 10 x 12 30 second rest between sets alternate standing raises eod

3-4 sets of 10-12 reps is ok for calves as the are composed mainly of slow twitch fibres but I would increase the rest period to about 2 minutes for a better recovery.

i have found that using the 45 degree leg press machine 4 calves worked wonders 4 me on my last cycle

Barbell I use that routine to shock them,the pump and burn is incredible especially the last few sets.run it for a few weeks.try do eod but usually takes a few days to walk again lol

Gearedup wrote:

Barbell I use that routine to shock them,the pump and burn is incredible especially the last few sets.run it for a few weeks.try do eod but usually takes a few days to walk again lol

which routine..?

10 sets of 12 reps with 30 second between sets

heres a good routine. Go to a metal club and mosh for a few hours. Give the calves a good workout. Couldnt walk for a week. :rock

Gearedup wrote:

10 sets of 12 reps with 30 second between sets

oh...wasn`t sure which one you meant. I reckon 30 secs is ok to shock, as you say, but not for extended periods. I used to keep all rest periods at about 1 min but Ive incresed them to between 2-3 minutes...I find I can hit heavier weights on my last sets.

I've done it all, full range, low range, super-sets, heavy sets, and even tried changing my cycling pedal stroke to allow for more calve use. I find that I have to keep changing the exercise, as my calves get used to it very quickly. Now I've discovered the Step Machine (yeah the one all the girls go to ehehe) it burns as hell. I do 10min on the tip of my toes.

I'm planning to change exercises on a weekly basis.

Haven't tried GearedUp's method;

"For calves I do seated calve raises 10 x 12 30 second rest between sets alternate standing raises eod "

...but I'll be sure to try it. 2Min rest period.

@krielos
Yeah, I eat like a pig, a lot of oil and Carbs. Here in Moz we eat a lot of curry based dishes. I have to talk to DJ about a clean diet.

I know the rest of the body will grow, and it's so easy to deviate from the original plan ( calves), grab a set of dumbbells and see the arm grow in a sec!


Thanks a lot for the replies guys!
Is my PCT ok? or should I go for HCG.

It'll be my first time on Deca. Do you think I'll benefit from it or should I stick to Supertest only?

gyatsu wrote:

I've done it all, full range, low range, super-sets, heavy sets, and even tried changing my cycling pedal stroke to allow for more calve use. I find that I have to keep changing the exercise, as my calves get used to it very quickly. Now I've discovered the Step Machine (yeah the one all the girls go to ehehe) it burns as hell. I do 10min on the tip of my toes.

I'm planning to change exercises on a weekly basis.

Haven't tried GearedUp's method;

"For calves I do seated calve raises 10 x 12 30 second rest between sets alternate standing raises eod "

...but I'll be sure to try it. 2Min rest period.

@krielos
Yeah, I eat like a pig, a lot of oil and Carbs. Here in Moz we eat a lot of curry based dishes. I have to talk to DJ about a clean diet.

I know the rest of the body will grow, and it's so easy to deviate from the original plan ( calves), grab a set of dumbbells and see the arm grow in a sec!


Thanks a lot for the replies guys!
Is my PCT ok? or should I go for HCG.

It'll be my first time on Deca. Do you think I'll benefit from it or should I stick to Supertest only?

I would put the deca in also it will definately help but you should continue your test for two weeks longer than the deca as deca stays active longer than the test and you want to negate any negative side effects from the deca by having test still floating around in the bloodstream. You will definately need HCG as well as nolva and clomid(I do my pct with all of these after a deca cycle as it shuts me down hard)
Above all keep your diet clean and watch the sodium intake and you should not pick up too much fat and water.

what dosages u planning for the kessar and clomid. As 4 hcg i think it helps speed up recovery. I did clomid, kessar and hcg in my last cycle. Im currently ending week 2 of my pct and im feeling good. Plus only lost less than half a kg so far. So i personally think hcg helps.

I'm going to have to get back to you on this later, as my plan at home and I'm currently at the office, but I remember Clomid being 25mg a day for 5 days, then 5 days OFF and another 5 days ON.

@Krileos

Thanks, I will do that;
2ml Supertest 320 (PGW)/wk in 2 shots - 12 weeks
1ml Deca350 (PGW) a week for 10 weeks

By the way, isn't Supertest a newer/sharper version of Sust?
Should one take it as he would Cyp, or as faster acting esters, should it be taken on a smaller interval? If so, I´d have to go back to Cyp...hate the pin sessions...even 2wice a wk I hate it!

Can I mix both Deca and Supertest in the same pin?

supertest isnt a newer version of sust, ITS BETTER! As for the pinning twice a week is fine. But if u wanna utilise the short esters eod protocol is better.

oh yeah. U can mix the deca and test in same syringe. If u havent yet, read the stickies in the pct secsion. Alot of helpfull advice and give u a better understanding of pct.

try these:

www.bodybuilding.com/fun/calves.htm

All i can vouch for is that the cybergenics routine i did in 1992 really worked for me.

Plenty drop sets to absolute failure. I couldnt walk afterwards.

Sorry Didnt read the whole thread propelry - but people seem to forget fast twitch principles when going to calves....

Try this you will get results in 2 weeks:

Standing calve raises:
- 2 sets, 20 reps, low weight, stretch in between.
- 3 sets, 6 reps, poes heavy weight, 1 minute+ break in between.

Standing calve explosions (initail movement of snatch/ shrugs but using all energy from your calves) verstaan?:
- 3 sets, 8 reps, poes heavy, 1 minute+ break in between.

Seated calve Raises:
- 3 sets, 4-6 reps, poes heavy, 1 minute+ break in between.
- 3 sets, 10 reps, halving weights from heaviest each set untill no weight are left (no breaks superset all 3 sets).

Do this workout in that order, what harm will 2 weeks cause check it out, if your full leg routine is good combined with this>>> proper results;)

Peace ( if you cant walk its not my fault;) )

POES heavy weight you say moose??? lmfao!!!
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