1st Anavar-only cycle advice.

First off I just wanna thank the moderators and members of this site for their great advice and brotherhood attitude.

So from a stern anti-AAS to actually going for my first cycle i just need some guidance in my plan of action.

I'm 24 years old and im 1,91 meters tall. been gyming for 3,5 years dedicated following my diets as best i can and training 4 times a week. I have a BF% of 15% and i weight in at 93kg or about 205 pounds.

stats:
bench press: 3x90kg for 8 reps
1RM= 115kg
deadlift: 3x180kg for 6 reps
1RM= 230kg
squat: 3x100kg for 6 reps
1RM=120kg (very weak on the legs).

been stuck at this weight for almost a year now... already drinking high carb shakes and high carb creatine solutions... and eating a lot in my humble opinion. (I'll provide exact diet details if needed)

So i decided on avanar (oxandrolone), not a bulking roid but the gains are solid and the negative effects are mild and no bloating. planning on a 7 week cycle of 40mg ED (20 in morning and 20 before training).

Diet:
6 eggs and 150g of peanuts for breakfast = 65-70g protein
protein shake double serving = 71g protein
mince and pasta for lunch = 40-50g protein
protein shake double serving after training = 71g protein
evening meal will have either rice or pasta with chicken or beef = 50g protein (estimate)

so i will reach my 1.5g protein per pound BW with alot of carbs.

Supplements:
daily optimal pack = for vitamins with breakfast
Pure protein = for the shake
arthro guard = for the joints :blink:

I know avanar isn't considered to be nearly as strong as d-bol or equipoise or deca but what should my water intake be and what can my expectations be? is it possible with this strategy to gain 7 solid kgs of muscle while dropping some BF? and gains in strength? I'm not a powerlifter but what kind of increases can i expect from my midrange?

Not looking to stack anything even though i know it is recommended just wanna get past this first cycle and then decide on heavier roids and stacks.

All opinions is highly appreciated and yes I am very new to this and read up as much as i could. Thank you so much in advance. :blush:

ok i dont think your diet is good enough,cos u arent weighing out every gram of food,more like guestimating what u need... not good...

ok second off do a test only cycle for your first cycle,we have all been here and gone through the research,a test only cycle is best and safest for your body...

scrap the anavar cos i think u will be very disapointed in the gains .... rather use test cyp,a good diet,some winstrol to end and during the cycle some arimadex.

also what are your gains? to pack on lean muscle?

dude 40mg of anavar is just going to give you a head ache.. honestly it will do nothing for you.. test only cycle is the way to go..

the safest steroid to use is testerone and then work from there.

hehe a headache... well said! :laugh:

well i could go for 60mg ED. thing is with test cypionate is the water retention and i do agree it does seem to be the best choice for the first cycle if i wanted to bulk up and gain insane amounts of mass ina few short weeks.

well i will be happy with say 3-4 kgs in 7 weeks of avanar... hehe and the gym partners I roll with I'm telling you will crucify me and stick some form of alien weaponry up my A-hole if they start to see any form of side effects and especially a 8kg gain in 4 weeks. thing is im in no hurry... good steady gains can always be justified with the "gosh guess i have amazing genetics argument"! :woohoo:

kinda lost faith in test since i had a friend bout a year back who walked with a look rivaling medusa coz he was upset because his weights did go up at all... wonder if they were fakes...

DJ: yeah im aiming for some lean mass... dont want 25 pack abs stopping at my knees though but some definition could be great... but mainly just lean solid mass which i can keep for an extended period of time.

bro at the end of the day water retention is all about your diet.

Apology for slight hijack guys....DJ did you receive my last 2 mails?

true will really watch my sodium intake with hawk eyes!!

Since avanar is nt very toxic to the liver (according to the articles i've read) is there any steps that can be taken to still lower its negative effects on the liver.

Im looking into test currently and will consider the option.. is there any other recommendations or changes that will be constructive to my first post?

North_Boy1 wrote:

Apology for slight hijack guys....DJ did you receive my last 2 mails?

i did dude and replied..

Actually it is pretty toxic, its an oral and all orals bypass the liver twice so articles may say its not too toxic but it is

dude you can put on 2kgs with test or 6kgs... eat right, stay hard, use it to replace bodyfat with muscle, so you stick around the same weight..

Var you will be lucky if you put on 1kg.. I find when i'm on var I lose so much strength as my joints become painful and I have 0 apitite so I can't even eat to put on weight..

your mate for sure had a dodge batch of test.. Please note test is not some magic hormone you going to be Arnold over night, actually you probabbly will never be him even if you cycle it every day of your life.

Use around 500mg of test a week, take an AI to keep water at bay and get a diet from DJ that doesn't have to much carbs as to not make you hold to much water.

hey beesting,

hmmm... true i guess thats why im trying to go as safe as possible with this roid.

found the following article:
www.mindandmuscle.net/node/252?page=all

also its going to be my first cycle.... if im not happy im going to switch over to that make superman look like sour worm!

to 00pump: "Var you will be lucky if you put on 1kg.. I find when i'm on var I lose so much strength as my joints become painful and I have 0 apitite so I can't even eat to put on weight.. "

sorry mate this will be a very personal question... at what dosages do you take them when you experience these effects?

actabar wrote:

First off I just wanna thank the moderators and members of this site for their great advice and brotherhood attitude.

So from a stern anti-AAS to actually going for my first cycle i just need some guidance in my plan of action.

I'm 24 years old and im 1,91 meters tall. been gyming for 3,5 years dedicated following my diets as best i can and training 4 times a week. I have a BF% of 15% and i weight in at 93kg or about 205 pounds.

stats:
bench press: 3x90kg for 8 reps
1RM= 115kg
deadlift: 3x180kg for 6 reps
1RM= 230kg
squat: 3x100kg for 6 reps
1RM=120kg (very weak on the legs).

been stuck at this weight for almost a year now... already drinking high carb shakes and high carb creatine solutions... and eating a lot in my humble opinion. (I'll provide exact diet details if needed)

So i decided on avanar (oxandrolone), not a bulking roid but the gains are solid and the negative effects are mild and no bloating. planning on a 7 week cycle of 40mg ED (20 in morning and 20 before training).

Diet:
6 eggs and 150g of peanuts for breakfast = 65-70g protein
protein shake double serving = 71g protein
mince and pasta for lunch = 40-50g protein
protein shake double serving after training = 71g protein
evening meal will have either rice or pasta with chicken or beef = 50g protein (estimate)

so i will reach my 1.5g protein per pound BW with alot of carbs.

Supplements:
daily optimal pack = for vitamins with breakfast
Pure protein = for the shake
arthro guard = for the joints :blink:

I know avanar isn't considered to be nearly as strong as d-bol or equipoise or deca but what should my water intake be and what can my expectations be? is it possible with this strategy to gain 7 solid kgs of muscle while dropping some BF? and gains in strength? I'm not a powerlifter but what kind of increases can i expect from my midrange?

Not looking to stack anything even though i know it is recommended just wanna get past this first cycle and then decide on heavier roids and stacks.

All opinions is highly appreciated and yes I am very new to this and read up as much as i could. Thank you so much in advance. :blush:

I used Var at the end of last year and had some really good results(first timer as well)...I took 80mg pd...I wouldn`t say that I packed on much muscle but the muscle that I did have was certainly maintained plus I lost a good amount of body fat, abs, quads become more defined. I also used clen
during the Var use but only for about 2-3 weeks. What I did find is that the pumps in my back were seriously hampering my cardio, squats and deadlifts. I never experienced any other negative side effects.I did use milk thistle to protect my liver but never "shut down" at all during or after.

Never gained much in regards to poundage increase though..+- 10%....

The cost/results ration of Var is a bit out of synch though...high price...lower results (Compared to other gear).

I will be doing another cycle of Var in the very near future....

If you are going to use var (but then u could just use winnie), then use it to frontload with or towards then end of a cycle to drop water, but not for an entire cycle...just do a test cycle (don't be afraid of the needle) and who really cares if your friends at gym notice that you are bulking (you are doing this for you and mot for them)

Bee please read my reply to www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/2-anabo...5-letrozole-duration

about stable blood levels... correct my post if I am wrong.

actabar wrote:

to 00pump: "Var you will be lucky if you put on 1kg.. I find when i'm on var I lose so much strength as my joints become painful and I have 0 apitite so I can't even eat to put on weight.. "

sorry mate this will be a very personal question... at what dosages do you take them when you experience these effects?

I lose my apitite even on 20mg per day... I never use var by itself and running it up to 80mg per day now.. the dose changed depending on what part of the cycle I was on, the closer I got to ending my long acting esters the higher I pushed the dose, running 80mg a day now until I start PCT on Sunday.

thanx barbell very instructive post...

can you give me some detail on your cycle. the weeks etc?
hmmm... 80mg per day is that what you'd recommend for someone my size?

do you have any recommendations concerning milk thistle products?

is the 10% poundage you gained in bodyweight? sorry didnt quit get that part?

coz 10% for me would be :woohoo:

Beesting wrote:

If you are going to use var (but then u could just use winnie), then use it to frontload with or towards then end of a cycle to drop water, but not for an entire cycle...just do a test cycle (don't be afraid of the needle) and who really cares if your friends at gym notice that you are bulking (you are doing this for you and mot for them)

hohoho ppl in my gym are very sensitive on this topic and they tend to label you very quickly as the cheating weak bloated ouki!! hahaha

yeah im doing it for myself as a matter of fact have family members that did d-bol and depotrone back in the day and after shrinking to bout half their sizes post cycle they swore its a waste of time! but they were not very methodical.

to me health is of great importance and yes there are risks involved but i wanna minimize them... still wana have kids in the next few years and populate a farm with kids and live a white picket fence dream for 22 hours of the day.. the other 2 is when im pumping iron.


yes i am looking into test but its still gonna take some convincing!!

actabar wrote:

thanx barbell very instructive post...

can you give me some detail on your cycle. the weeks etc?
hmmm... 80mg per day is that what you'd recommend for someone my size?

do you have any recommendations concerning milk thistle products?

is the 10% poundage you gained in bodyweight? sorry didnt quit get that part?

coz 10% for me would be :woohoo:

Sorry bro not ten % in body weight but in bench, deadlift etc.. :laugh: Not on Var alone....

12 weeks...combined with Clen for 3. Also took an eca stack 3-4 weeks after stopping the clen...

The benefits or Var do not necessarily increase with an increase in dosage and between 40-80m is the norm. Im 178 and 86kgs...80mg was fine for me...

Dischem has a range of milk thistle....also took Essentiale`s


Nice thing about the Var is that I have kept off the fat that I lost up until now...

actabar wrote:

hohoho ppl in my gym are very sensitive on this topic and they tend to label you very quickly as the cheating weak bloated ouki!! hahaha

yeah im doing it for myself as a matter of fact have family members that did d-bol and depotrone back in the day and after shrinking to bout half their sizes post cycle they swore its a waste of time! but they were not very methodical.

to me health is of great importance and yes there are risks involved but i wanna minimize them... still wana have kids in the next few years and populate a farm with kids and live a white picket fence dream for 22 hours of the day.. the other 2 is when im pumping iron.


yes i am looking into test but its still gonna take some convincing!!

Well if you are doing it for yourself then why do u care if you get labeled at gym. Those ppl at gym that label you as cheating do so because they don't understand that steroids dont make you grow, they help with recovery so that you grow faster but they don't do the work for you, its not taking the easy way out, you are still gonna have to work your ass off with or without them

Barbell wrote:

Sorry bro not ten % in body weight but in bench, deadlift etc.. :laugh: Not on Var alone....

12 weeks...combined with Clen for 3. Also took an eca stack 3-4 weeks after stopping the clen...

The benefits or Var do not necessarily increase with an increase in dosage and between 40-80m is the norm. Im 178 and 86kgs...80mg was fine for me...

Dischem has a range of milk thistle....also took Essentiale`s


Nice thing about the Var is that I have kept off the fat that I lost up until now...

awesome will add that to my basket of herbs....

hehe any other recommendations?

Beesting wrote:

Well if you are doing it for yourself then why do u care if you get labeled at gym. Those ppl at gym that label you as cheating do so because they don't understand that steroids dont make you grow, they help with recovery so that you grow faster but they don't do the work for you, its not taking the easy way out, you are still gonna have to work your ass off with or without them

because they are close friends.. family members etc. and their opinion kinda does matter.... well i have to work with the fact that they dont understand that and have to get by it... bulking up 10kgs and telling them live with it could have some detrimental repercussions.

actabar wrote:

because they are close friends.. family members etc. and their opinion kinda does matter.... well i have to work with the fact that they dont understand that and have to get by it... bulking up 10kgs and telling them live with it could have some detrimental repercussions.

I understand what you are saying, and if your friends mean so much to u, as well as their opinion then explain to them and make them understand, once they understand then they will be more accepting. At the end of the day, if they are your true friends then they wont be quick to judge you and will support you instead. It's a tricky situation, so maybe you just aren't ready to take steroids right now

actabar wrote:

Barbell wrote:

Sorry bro not ten % in body weight but in bench, deadlift etc.. :laugh: Not on Var alone....

12 weeks...combined with Clen for 3. Also took an eca stack 3-4 weeks after stopping the clen...

The benefits or Var do not necessarily increase with an increase in dosage and between 40-80m is the norm. Im 178 and 86kgs...80mg was fine for me...

Dischem has a range of milk thistle....also took Essentiale`s


Nice thing about the Var is that I have kept off the fat that I lost up until now...

awesome will add that to my basket of herbs....

hehe any other recommendations?

Get your diet in order...DJ is the best in that regard...

Think long and hard before you take anything...get your mind right in regards to whether you going to do this properly or not...if you can really assure yourself you going to eat properly, train properly and stay committed then go for it it...if not...you going to piss time, money and effort against the wall....

If you going to use and ECA stack or Clen and still do cardio get a heart rate monitor...keeping check on your HR is critical...

thanx barbell... contacted him...

i will keep posting on this thread as i start and until im done cycling...

thanx beesting 00pump DJ and everyone else posting... you guys are great and delivering an invaluable service to the up and coming AAS users and veterans alike.