HRT on the back of a Cycle ?

Been away from here for so long. Like the new look of the site.

Nice to see the old faces still dispensing advice.

Was thinking of doing another cycle. Just Test E 750mg a week for between 12 to 16 weeks (haven't decided yet), then going on to 250mg Test E a week for.... well the rest of my life basically.

Will do Letro at .25mg EOD for sides, (last time I suffered with bloat but I think that's mainly from the Dbol I took).

At the age of 52 this year, I think I need to be on Test for a very long time. Perhaps forever.

Anyone on HRT (200 to 250mg a week Test) out there who did it this way? On the back of a cycle I mean?

Any advise or comments would be appreciated.

I'm putting myself on TRT after this cycle as well - sust 250 probably.
Planning to do HCG for the 2 days prior injection day at 250iu/day.
See allthingsmale.com for plenty info.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

I'm putting myself on TRT after this cycle as well - sust 250 probably.
Planning to do HCG for the 2 days prior injection day at 250iu/day.
See allthingsmale.com for plenty info.

Howzit JR1

What cycle are you running now?

A bit confused as to the need for HCG if you going to be on Test full time?

Are you going to do HCG every week for 2 days prior to the Sust injections?

I have not heard of Test E for the rest of your life... only Sust. 250mg/week.
HCG would be a good idea, so that your natural test levels are not completely diminished, and your body is not completely relying on the test you are giving it.

Mr_SA wrote:

I have not heard of Test E for the rest of your life... only Sust. 250mg/week.
HCG would be a good idea, so that your natural test levels are not completely diminished, and your body is not completely relying on the test you are giving it.

Not sure why it should make a big
difference using Test E or Sust. Both are Test. Sust is just a combination of various compounds, although I think it has slightly less sides like water retention?

You think it better to go with Sust?

I am still a bit confused about the use of the HCG. You gonna run it every week prior to the Sust injection, or as a PCT when you come off your cycle before running your HRT?

Thanks for the reply

Yes, less water renention and the Sust is a good combination of tests. It would be your better choice.
Basically, you will run the HCG with your cycle... as a PCT, you chould be doing Clomid and Kessar.
The HCG is more so that your Natural Test Levels are not totally depleted... as then your body would only rely on the test that you supply it. (Your body would not create its own test if you are feeding it test).
To supress your natural test levels altogether could lead to some health problems.

So, for as long as you running test, run HCG with it.
Rather be safe!

Remember... you cannot mix the sust with the HCG... the one is intramuscular, and the other is a subcutaneous injection.

MANY people on international HRT/TRT sites run TestE/TestCyp without any hastles. Sust does give more stable release with the different esters handing over the batton so to speak.

On allthingsmale.com and on some of his lectures Dr John Crisler explains the HCG thing. There are great benefits. It would be best to hear it first-hand Shaun. That guy is really clued up om TRT.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

MANY people on international HRT/TRT sites run TestE/TestCyp without any hastles. Sust does give more stable release with the different esters handing over the batton so to speak.

On allthingsmale.com and on some of his lectures Dr John Crisler explains the HCG thing. There are great benefits. It would be best to hear it first-hand Shaun. That guy is really clued up om TRT.

Thanks man. I'm going to check out his site now.

Ok, I have read the papers @ www.allthingsmale.com and am convinced to run HCG with my cycle. I see he recommends 250IU's 2 days before and then 250IU's the day before the Test injection.i.e 500IU's spaced over 2 days prior to the Test.

@Jackrabbit:

You say you are going to run the TRT after your cycle, which is exactly what I am planning to do.

What cycle are you running now?
Do you need to run any PCT before going into the TRT? (I would imagine not, as your test levels will still be high enough to just carry on with the TRT?)
With your TRT will you be running anything else over and above the 250mg Test per week and the HCG?

Thanks for the help and a shout out to Mr SA as well.

Im on PGW EQ 350 0.5ml + SuperTest320 1ml EOD. Frontloaded with 100mg Oral Turnibol for 5 weeks as well as a couple of double dose Test/EQ. Using leftover Aromasin as AI.

Will be running this for as long as i can - 15-24 weeks depending on when the results start fading.

I'll do HCG at 250iu twice a week throughout. Not planning a PCT in betweeen.

Will cruise on Sust250(maybe just stick to PGW) untill Aug when im planning to go on NPP/TestProp for 4 months. Will probably throw in some Masteron later into the cycle.

I dont like the idea of low(ish) test levels. And since the Dr's only help you out after you crash and burn, i'll self diagnose. Hence the TRT/Cruise.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Im on PGW EQ 350 0.5ml + SuperTest320 1ml EOD. Frontloaded with 100mg Oral Turnibol for 5 weeks as well as a couple of double dose Test/EQ. Using leftover Aromasin as AI.

Will be running this for as long as i can - 15-24 weeks depending on when the results start fading.

I'll do HCG at 250iu twice a week throughout. Not planning a PCT in betweeen.

Will cruise on Sust250(maybe just stick to PGW) untill Aug when im planning to go on NPP/TestProp for 4 months. Will probably throw in some Masteron later into the cycle.

I dont like the idea of low(ish) test levels. And since the Dr's only help you out after you crash and burn, i'll self diagnose. Hence the TRT/Cruise.

That looks like an interesting and very good cycle.

NPP is becoming more and more popular I notice. How have you found it? Shorter acting than Deca with less sides, I believe. Does it have the same sides as Deca? Is it still so expensive?
I did Deca on my last cycle at 500mg a week and then cut back to 300mg after I got the worst case of Deca dick. :blush:
I am planning to run 750mg Test a week for at least 12 weeks, kick starting with either dBol or Turinabol for 4 weeks (although I hear it's a slower acting drug?)
I like the idea of Masteron towards the end of the cycle, but that will depend on affordability. Not 100% sure of the doses though. I think 600mg per week is about right?
I have a lot of Letro left over so will use that as my AI at around .300mg EOD

So to sum up my cycle will probably be:

Week 1 to 12 Test. 250mg 3 x week
Week 1 to 4 Dbol or Turinabol. 40 mg ED
Week 1 to 12 HCG. 250 IU's 2 x week
Week 1 to 12 Letro .300mg EOD
Maybe week 8 to 12 Masteron at 600mg a week?

Week 13 ..... Sust 250mg per week TRT (for a very long time or my next cycle)

What do you think? Any criticism or advice will be greatly appreciated.

Jack that is actually a pretty wild cycle. hahahaha If i had to use that i think my skin will burst :laugh:

@ Roozer : LOL - Its not all that hctic. Old receptors you know.

@ shaunrsa : The NPP is great. Its still nanrolone so if you had problems with deca-dick you might have the same here. Did you run Test at 750 then as well? maybe the Test was Dud? Doctari suggests more HCG/week when using Deca and i found that around 700iu's works for me on nandrolone. Short ester so no bloat. Check out the profile at steroid.com.
It is quite expensive thats another reason i'm waiting till later the year - bonus hopefull.
Last time round i ran NPP 1ml/TestProp 1.5-2ml and it was great. This time round i'll up the NPP as well as prop aybe 1.5ml NPP 2ml TestProp.

I unfortunately dont have Masteron experience at that dosage and not with PGW either. It was Namasteron from Nomad.
The dosage doesnt sound too bad either - maybe just do 150mg(1ml) EOD? That way youre just short of your 600/week at 525. It might also be wise to switch to TestProp here as well.

Personally i think the orals are too low and maybe just wont be worth the effort. Why not just frontload at a higher dosage for 1.5-2 weeks to get levels up? I liked TBol alot though.

BTW. I dont know about you but AAS really only start showing their true colours with me at week 12. Maybe keep that cutoff date open and see how things are then - maybe some blood tests for liver/kidneys/pancreas blah blah and continue.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

@ Roozer : LOL - Its not all that hctic. Old receptors you know.

@ shaunrsa : The NPP is great. Its still nanrolone so if you had problems with deca-dick you might have the same here. Did you run Test at 750 then as well? maybe the Test was Dud? Doctari suggests more HCG/week when using Deca and i found that around 700iu's works for me on nandrolone. Short ester so no bloat. Check out the profile at steroid.com.
It is quite expensive thats another reason i'm waiting till later the year - bonus hopefull.
Last time round i ran NPP 1ml/TestProp 1.5-2ml and it was great. This time round i'll up the NPP as well as prop aybe 1.5ml NPP 2ml TestProp.

I unfortunately dont have Masteron experience at that dosage and not with PGW either. It was Namasteron from Nomad.
The dosage doesnt sound too bad either - maybe just do 150mg(1ml) EOD? That way youre just short of your 600/week at 525. It might also be wise to switch to TestProp here as well.

Personally i think the orals are too low and maybe just wont be worth the effort. Why not just frontload at a higher dosage for 1.5-2 weeks to get levels up? I liked TBol alot though.

BTW. I dont know about you but AAS really only start showing their true colours with me at week 12. Maybe keep that cutoff date open and see how things are then - maybe some blood tests for liver/kidneys/pancreas blah blah and continue.

I ran 500mg Sust per week with the Deca last time. And ja, the Test (Nomad) was crap I think. I changed my brand after 8 weeks and it was better. But also, I only started taking HCG when doing my PCT. That was a mistake, I think.


I ran Dbol @50mg ED for the first 4 weeks last cycle and picked up massive water bloat, but then I stupidly didn't run Letro until too late. I think I will front load with Tbol this time. What dose do you recommend?

I got very strong very quickly with the Dbol last time out. But like you, I saw the real major changes after about 10 weeks, so ja, good point, I should run the cycle for at least 16 weeks maybe? And then run the Mast from week 8 to 16?

Nomad could be your problem then. Also a bit low for 500 mg Deca. 750 would be a better TestDose against 500 Deca. Maybe consider PGW SuperTest 320? Beautifull stuff.

I ran TBol at 100mg ED but only because i'm a pill-glutton!
I tried 60mg before and then of course 100 so for me 80 is next on the list. Maybe MY sweet-spot? I think you should just experiment?
I found the TBol WAY better than that first batch of OC DBol which BTW didnt bloat me one bit(DBol).

A 16 weeker would be more interesting i would say. But like i said - keep your options open. You can even switch to short ester NPP and TestProp for 3 or 4 weeks to make going on to PCT easier. Last shot NPP with TestProp and 2 days later TestPriop and 2 days after that PCT starts.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

Nomad could be your problem then. Also a bit low for 500 mg Deca. 750 would be a better TestDose against 500 Deca. Maybe consider PGW SuperTest 320? Beautifull stuff.

I ran TBol at 100mg ED but only because i'm a pill-glutton!
I tried 60mg before and then of course 100 so for me 80 is next on the list. Maybe MY sweet-spot? I think you should just experiment?
I found the TBol WAY better than that first batch of OC DBol which BTW didnt bloat me one bit(DBol).

A 16 weeker would be more interesting i would say. But like i said - keep your options open. You can even switch to short ester NPP and TestProp for 3 or 4 weeks to make going on to PCT easier. Last shot NPP with TestProp and 2 days later TestPriop and 2 days after that PCT starts.

Ja, that Nomad Sust was shit, lots of guys complained. I bought it before I found this site. I agree the Test was too low for the Decca. I was trying to be cautious cos it was my first cycle. I should have done maybe 600mg Test to about 300mg Deca for a 1st cycle, I think.

I think I will run up to 60mg Tbol ED and see from there? Maximum of 4 weeks?

Just looking at my latest (May) price list and the PGW Super Test 320 looks like a very good buy. Will definitely get that. How would you divide the doses up during the week, 320mg seems like a bit of an awkward number?

Will run it for 16 weeks too.

Just wondering about the whole PCT thing. If I am going to run 250mg Test and HCG every week after the cycle, what will my PCT look like? Will I even need to do a PCT?

Thanks for all the advice man, it's been a huge help.

4 weeks should be OK for the orals.
Test is 320 and Deca is 350. You will have to pick a number for each that you are comfortable with.
For me it will be easy - 700 Deca 960/1280 test or maybe just inject EOD like i do now since there is Prop in the SuperTest. For you to decide.
The PCT on TRT is a bit confusing for me as well and i will decide later exactly what i will do. There are some big forums out there - thinking forums.steroid.com/ with a nice TRT section.

Thanks JR

960 maybe too much for me on a 2nd cycle, and 640 maybe too little lol. I think maybe Sust 250 3 x week will be easier for me.
Is there a big difference in effect between Sust and Super Test? Other than the different compounds I mean? is the result more or less the same?

The superTest is very good. I dont have experience with Sust(Yet!). Thats the reason i want to try it during TRT.
Up to you. They are formulated to do pretty much the same thing.

640 isnt too low for a second cycle either. Its not Nomad.
Like i said - up to you. Consult your friendly "grocer". They are extremely helpfull.

jackrabbit1 wrote:

The superTest is very good. I dont have experience with Sust(Yet!). Thats the reason i want to try it during TRT.
Up to you. They are formulated to do pretty much the same thing.

640 isnt too low for a second cycle either. Its not Nomad.
Like i said - up to you. Consult your friendly "grocer". They are extremely helpfull.

Ha ha . Ja, they are for sure

You've been a huge help man. Please let me know what you decide on your PCT.
I tell you, the more I read the more confused I get with the PCT side of what we are trying to do. :huh:

Haha shaun just keep reading and trail and error is the best.

Sorry to hi-jack but Jackrabbit, do you find tbol better than dbol. i am on the oc labs dbol now, worked like a charm but not what i expected. Is tbol better for you to frontload on. next time i am going to try the march labs on 60 mg frontload, still speculating on abombs or dbols and no experience on tbol