Lean gain cycle opinions

Lots of time out of gym gives me to much time to think about diff cycles. Out of these 3 cycles which would give the best quality lean gains. Not big mass gains just a solid hard look.

Cycle 1: 12 weeks
Supertest 640mg/week (split mon and thu)
Winnie week 11-14 @ 40mg/day
PCT: clomid 100mg for 7 days followed by 3 weeks hcg @ 500iu eod with kesser & 20mg/day for 4 weeks
Letro will be run throughout cycle

Cycle 2: 12 weeks
Supertest 640mg/week (split mon and thu)
Masteron week 7-12 @ 75mg eod
PCT same as above and letro will be run throughout

Cycle 3: 12 weeks
Tren E 50mg eod week 1-8
Test E or supertest 300mg or 320mg/week week 1-8
Masteron 100mg eod week 9-12
Test Prop 100mg eod week 9-12
Letro will be run througout and pct will be same as above

So the idea is not a bulky look but rather lean hard look with good strenth. Diet will be spot on. Comments much appreciated

What cycle will this be abc and what is your previous cycles?

This will be my 2nd cycle. 1st was just a little intro of test e 250mg/week with some winnie end of cycle till start of pct @ 40mg/day. Wanted to see how my body will react to the subtance and i was more than happy with results.

For this one i want to up it a bit. My mind was pritty set on the supertest 2ml/week for now. Want to throw something else in the mix. Bit scared of winni because i already have problems with my shoulder now. Dont want to dry out the joints and damage the tendons more. That was my rational for the masteron in the 2nd option.

Tossed the tren e option in their to see what you guys say. I have read all the posts here about the possible dangers but 50mg eod is quite low.

Dont want to bulk up at all. Also wont go with very high dosages. Just a clean hard gain cycle (thats why i throw the letro in to avoid too much water retention)

My advise is stay away from the tren totally. Or for now that is, how about this.

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg ED
Week 1-10 Supertest 640mg split dosages
Week 1-15 Equi 700mg split dosages
Week 11-15 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 11-15 Masteron 150mg EOD

Then your pct protocal

Nice bulk and then rip it in the end.

I would do cycle 1. Would run the test for 15weeks and run the stan from week 12.

Start with HCG and end with kesser for ur PCT.

And roozer ur cycle might be a lil heavy for a 2nd cycle...maybe 4th/5th cycle go that route but a nice looking cycle non the less

And if u had to run ur cycle roozer run the test prop for additional 2 weeks coz of the short ester.

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Thanx for info guys. Roozer that cycle is a bit heavy for me for now but its a niiicccceeee one! Will save in my cycles to do file

Snok are you saying that i should skip the clomid for first 7 days, start immediately with HCG @ 500iu eod for 3 weeks and kesser @ 40mg/day for 2 weeks and 20mg/day for 2 weeks? Should i maybe add aromasin to the pct?

Yeah im saying stay away from clomid just use kesser.

So do this >

week 18 - 21 > HCG 500iu every other day
week 22 - 26 > kesser 20mg everyday

This is the PCT i would do for cycle 1, if it had other compounds such as deca equi tren than i would say add in clomid and even maybe aromasin. But i think for cycle 1 the PCT i put up is good enough.

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HAHAHA sorry guys. I see now actually its bit BAIE. Think it is because i found that my tolerance is a high with the test

My bad. And snok yes running the prop 2 weeks extra would be great i was just working out on vails that there is no reserves left. I hate leaving some in the vail.

How but adding some equi with cycle one 350mg not that hard on the system. Get appetite nice up and endurance?

Roozer wrote:

HAHAHA sorry guys. I see now actually its bit BAIE. Think it is because i found that my tolerance is a high with the test

My bad. And snok yes running the prop 2 weeks extra would be great i was just working out on vails that there is no reserves left. I hate leaving some in the vail.

How but adding some equi with cycle one 350mg not that hard on the system. Get appetite nice up and endurance?

The endurence bit sounds cool! Would the pct stay the same then as snok suggested?

Sorry boet i am little over tired and not thinking straight. but listen to the snokman. but i would add the equi, vascularity, endurance and appetite. EAT TO GROW

Yes bud keep that pct it will be fine

Roozer wrote:

HAHAHA sorry guys. I see now actually its bit BAIE. Think it is because i found that my tolerance is a high with the test

My bad. And snok yes running the prop 2 weeks extra would be great i was just working out on vails that there is no reserves left. I hate leaving some in the vail.

How but adding some equi with cycle one 350mg not that hard on the system. Get appetite nice up and endurance?

Yeah i suppose adding equi wont be a bad idea at a lower dose but i find 350mg per week isnt enough, 500mg min for equi in my eyes is the key.

Another thing about equi it takes forever to kick in so even running equi to 18 weeks will prob be beneficial.

Or u could do it as a frontload with equi by running low dose of HCg with the equi for like 5 - 10weeks before u start using the test. By than the equi will have a head start and u will see the effects of equi earlier rather than later.

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Test Prop an NPP 8 weeks, there is your lean mass cycle.

milktuds wrote:

Test Prop an NPP 8 weeks, there is your lean mass cycle.

The more and more I see this combo the more I wanna do this for my next cycle

Fakey_AK wrote:

milktuds wrote:

Test Prop an NPP 8 weeks, there is your lean mass cycle.

The more and more I see this combo the more I wanna do this for my next cycle

I must say it does look yummy! I came across that cycle consisting of 8 weeks test prop/6 weeks NNP/6 weeks masteron the other day on older posts. Nice quick in and out. I guess you should have a hardcore pct cause that NNP will probably shut you down bad.

Choosing a cycle is a nightmare. The more advise i get the more i change my mind.

PCT does not have to be hardcore for Test Prop/NPP.

milktuds wrote:

PCT does not have to be hardcore for Test Prop/NPP.

So basic pct consisting of hcg and kesser would be ok?

Would i be right in asuming that when you have stuff like deca or a long cycle with eq and test then only should you consider a more complex pct with clomid; kesser; aromasin and hcg?

Yebo, just use HCG 500IU EOD 3-4 weeks and add in Clomid for the first 7-10 days at 100mg along with kessar for 30 days 20mg.

milktuds wrote:

Yebo, just use HCG 500IU EOD 3-4 weeks and add in Clomid for the first 7-10 days at 100mg along with kessar for 30 days 20mg.

So you could basically run doctari's pct but leave out the aromasin? or would you finish the 3-4 weeks hcg and then go on to kesser and clomid. Also what is the half life of NNP? I know test prop is around 4.5days

Will be running letro from now on during any cycle as well as 250IU hcg/week.

Start HCG in week 8 of the cycle and continue for 4(total) weeks. Start Clomid 4-5 days after last shot and then 5 days later add in Kessar.

Half life is the same. If you're running an AI then use it right up until you start with the Clomid. Taper down obviously.

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