Successful 1st Cycle

this is a beginner steroid cycle i organised & guided a friend of mine through. the only cycle component was testosterone cypionate at 250mg/ ml. PCT was clomiphene citrate only, plus a method of mine i use for retaining cycle gains. let's call it MSRP (Mass & Strength Retention Protocol). it basically works towards creating anabolism that isn't hormonally dependant towards the end of your cycle. that way, by the time you've done your last injection & the steroid(s) are wearing off, a compensation of sorts is occuring for any water mass & strength you might lose. the net result is a 0kg movement on the scale, at the least. most actually move upwards.

first his starting stats:

body weight: 68kg
height: 1,82m
body fat percentage: unknown, but very lean

400mg/ week (single injection): 15 jun - 6 jul (4 weeks)
500mg/ week (single injection): 13 jul - 17 aug (6 weeks)
MSRP (daily): 18 aug
<300mg (final injection. twas meant to eventually yield 400mg, but he apparently aspirated a few ml more than he was supposed to, consecutively before that): 22 aug
MSRP (still daily, but now stepped up): 31 aug

150mg clomid: 1 sept
100mg clomid: 2 sept - 4 sept
50mg clomid: 5 - 26 sept
MSRP ends: 11 sept

he gained 8kg within his 1st 3 weeks. by week 4 he'd gained 10kg, even though he was nowhere near the gym due to a short coastal vacation. but he did an exercise regimen i came up with for him involving one-handed push ups, push ups, pull ups, dips, shoulder presses etc. during week 7 he settled at his final gains of 14,5kg & he decided that instead of changing his routine to gain further he'd work on strength.

as stated he began MSRP during his cycle, then his last injection followed. the week he began PCT (last week) he lost 0,4kg then 2 days later reported a further 0,8kg gain. bringing his total gains to 14,9kg. as you can see, he retained all of his gains & more. he's still feeling great. the only issue, he says, is that he seems to be stuck on the same weights & he can't advance any further.

having guided several people on different cycles & used the MSRP, i can say with certainty that the strength progression issue would've easily been solved had he used hCG alongside the clomid. he's still on PCT now, but from past experience, everything has already stabilised.

PS i'm still very interested in using MSRP on a heavily water retentive cycle such as anadrol (with a testosterone base, of course!). hopefully i'll get a test subject soon

Do you plan on elaborating on your MSRP? Nobody likes a tease...

And your buddy made some awesome gains, 15kg is unbelievable anyway you look at it, but 68kg at 1.82m suggests even a hospital drip would've made him grow

just a quick question, i am only one cm taller than him and i started at 72kg's 16%bf and got to 83-84kgs 12%bf naturally.... now i'm going to be frank don't take offense you are claiming to have this MSRP miracle method, which by the look of it may just work, but you won't share it, and you are letting someone at 68kg's and 1,82m do a cycle when he evidently could do more through natural work with a good diet, i don't know man you seem to know a lot but are alright with that..

Not cool to be honest, if you have so much knowledge surely letting him reach his natural genetic limit before starting a cycle would be better? Once again no flame, i am just thinking out loud, so to speak

I agree on the points mentioned, 68kg at 1,82m does suggest that he hadnt been training properly or eating properly before the cycle. Do you not agree that it may have been more prudent to first adjust his diet and training for a few months before embarking on a steroid cycle? What was his lifting history?
As far as your MSRP goes, i'd be very interested in what it entails, would you care to hint a bit further? Im currently on a test cyp and deca cycle, so water gains should be evident by the time i start my pct, would love to test out your techniques and see what happens to my gains.

On what do you base your MSRP? Herbal? Chemical? Off the shelf? Diet alterations?

No offence taken Chapel. Actually he wasn't training or eating correctly. But he's a friend of mine & I made my decision, which I do not regret.

What I did do was provide him with guidelines so that by the time his cycle began, his body would be a conducive environment for hypertrophy & it would be welcoming of the testosterone reinforcements. I provided him with some bodybuilding workouts which I approved of because of the required intensity, suggested that he increase caloric intake & especially protein intake to 2g per kg of BW, told him to get about 8 hours of sleep nightly & recommended he start popping a multi-nutrient with B12 at 2500% of the RDA, amongst other things.

He got an eating plan from a dietician and followed my advice for 3 weeks before starting his cycle. But otherwise he was already doing swimming, water polo & cage fighting. Here's a curious matter: before starting his cycle, he'd always had some pimpling, but that soon disappeared once he began.

Actually Spike I've already tried MSRP on a deca-test cyp cycle. Twas a success. Some of the best individual results I've seen were from a dianabol-only cycle, where the gains (>1kg a week) equalled those of his cycle. So once he stopped he continued to gain muscle & strength. The transition was very smooth & seamless

As I mentioned before, I'm not a believer in doing more than 2 11 week cycles, implying 30 weeks of endogenous test production a year. So that means my friends next cycle will be 15 weeks after his last injection.

In late Nov/ Dec I will be guiding another friend of mine through a strength cycle. Trenbolone enanthate, halotestin & testosterone cypionate...

Ok, so now whats left for us to talk about is your MSRP... Surely that is what this post is essentially abou. Are we talking about a form of supplementation (either chemical or herbal) begun in the late stages of a cycle, in order to restore HPTA function? Or is that way off the mark. I've been thinking about this, and from what i understand the reason for loss of gains is mainly down to a suppressed HPTA that slowly restores itself during PCT. It's that dip in test levels between cycle and completion of PCT that should cause the loss of gains, Am I correct in this assumption? So is your MSRP a system of maintaining stable, raised testosterone levels after exogenous test use?

Deadgoat wrote:
but 68kg at 1.82m suggests even a hospital drip would've made him grow

Hahahahahahahahah :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: maybe that is what is MSRP is about....

Back to what I said earlier, the point of MSRP is to enable anabolism which is NOT hormonally dependant. This is why MSRP is even used between cycles, albeit in short intervals. It only has 1 minor side effect, but that is easily remedied by increasing protein intake. My 1 friend & former bench spotter (body weight 118kg, height 1,85m, BMI 34,48) is the most successful case I have out of the handful of people I've shared this knowledge with. Simply because, like most bodybuilders he really overdoes the whey protein issue. Just like he sometimes overdoes MSRP, so I suppose it's not a bad combination.

According to the literature, MSRP has an almost insignificant effect on androgens though. Of interest to me is that it increases nitrogen retention, lipolysis & protein synthesis, amongst other things.

You're smart, Spike. If I gave you any further hints it would just mean that I doubt your ability to figure it out for yourself... But I don't so let's rest this issue. On that point you mentioned though, I do believe it would be quite interesting to attempt to use Ostarine or Andarine in a similar manner to MSRP.

And actually the point of my post was to give end results on a properly executed beginner cycle. Planning a cycle shouldn't be thought of as an art. It's just a basic science, albeit tailored to your observations of the individual in question (eg. knowing exactly WHEN to start PCT).

As for the tren e & halo cycle, there's a lot of potential for things to go wrong if that were to be done by someone unfamiliar with the interaction & actions of the 2 (or someone who can't spell "moderation", like Einzikscher). The thing that makes it such a potent stack for strength, is also what could potentially cause the most danger: the 2 are highly effective at stimulating the CNS's fight or flight reactions. And of course the magnitude of an AAS cycle's adrenalgenic stimulatory effect is also decided by the androgenic rating of the compounds involved. And that's something tren & halo score VERY well on.

And I'm sure you can think of at least 3 reasons why test cyp is once again included.

F^$#%$%^&%#$% MSRP.

Miguel you are a cock teaze! And when you eventually drop the bomb it better be good or your name will be absolute snot.

jackrabbit1 wrote: F^$#%$%^&%#$% MSRP.

Miguel you are a cock teaze! And when you eventually drop the bomb it better be good or your name will be absolute snot.

amen

Mabe this is BBG/Einzikscher again

Miguel, any chance of a link to the studies you refer to? Kinda hard to search a database for "MSRP". I see some of the guys are getting pretty agitated, but I dont mind a challenge... Something different to what all my research has been on for the last few months. Tho you'll definately find that im far from being the smartest on this forum when it comes to biochemistry and pharmacology.

This might just be a coincidence but when my training buddy and I started using he also did a weird ass injection protocol also using cyp (a old pharm grade one whos name we dare not mention) he managed to put on 18kgs and never lost any of that weight or strength.

bloody hell, who was this BBG character? this is the 2nd mention of his name on 1 of my topics.

pity einzikscher had to leave so soon though. i would've been interested in hearing the premature end to his supposed cycle. as much as i love it when a cycle goes smoothly & is an overwhelming success, i do believe it would've benefitted everyone else to actaully get feedback on how bad things actually can get when they do go BAD... you can learn much from the mistakes of others, as my newest thread shows (check out the anabolic steroid discussions). i mean seriously, 1.5 GRAMS of test cyp & enanth weekly, 1.6 GRAMS of deca?!

interesting, superbeast... which brand of test cyp was that? although i doubt a mere change in injection protocol could yield those results. it certainly isn't the basis for MSRP. the injection protocol in this case is stated for all to observe.

Miguel wrote: bloody hell, who was this BBG character? this is the 2nd mention of his name on 1 of my topics.

pity einzikscher had to leave so soon though. i would've been interested in hearing the premature end to his supposed cycle. as much as i love it when a cycle goes smoothly & is an overwhelming success, i do believe it would've benefitted everyone else to actaully get feedback on how bad things actually can get when they do go BAD... you can learn much from the mistakes of others, as my newest thread shows (check out the anabolic steroid discussions). i mean seriously, 1.5 GRAMS of test cyp & enanth weekly, 1.6 GRAMS of deca?!

interesting, superbeast... which brand of test cyp was that? although i doubt a mere change in injection protocol could yield those results. it certainly isn't the basis for MSRP. the injection protocol in this case is stated for all to observe.

seriously Miguel, Please dont use that Acronymn (MSRP) - it has no definition. Untill you give it one you are talking kak!

It was pretty much, I feel like a injection today.

jackrabbit1 wrote:
seriously Miguel, Please dont use that Acronymn (MSRP) - it has no definition. Untill you give it one you are talking kak!

Agree Jackrabbit1