PGW - Supertest 320, Tren E 150, Equi 350

Heres my proposed cycle...well im starting sunday/monday....

Week 1-2
- super test 0.5ml twice a week
- Tren e 0.5ml twice a week
- dbol - OC labs 5x10mg per day, 10 days
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

Week 3-6
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Tren e 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

weeks 7-10
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Tren e 0.5ml twice a week
- Equi 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

weeks 11-15
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Equi 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

weeks 16
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Equi 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week
- winstrol - OC labs 10mg tabs 5 per day, 3 days

week 17
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week
- winstrol - OC labs 10mg tabs 5 per day, 7 days

week 18-21
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 1 tab per day

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shew!

My last cycle ended on 1 june, + 28 days nolva
was ten weeks of ARL Tren E and ARL TestE with DBol frontloading.
Was VERY VERY GOOD!!! gained +- 7kgs, lost 5kg, kept 80% of new strength...

previous cycle to that was TestE + equipoise + dbol, with no nolva..

previous to that it was just tabs..

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Question:
1. is my cycle TOO long? I cant afford and dont want to use GH now.. I'm too young..24...

2. should i try use Glucophage with my PCT at the end? :dry:

3.:silly: what does glucophage do besides lower bloodpressure and "Controlling high blood sugar helps prevent kidney damage, blindness, nerve problems, loss of limbs, and sexual function problems. "

4. :blush: the last time i used tren e... my dick shrunk near the end.. week 8,9,10..took another two weeks to get back to normal.. wat else could i take to fix this problem?

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Shot guys!

Have a look here:

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...octaris-pct-protocol

The answer to all your problems. Then search the forum and read some opinions on Tren etc.

supaN00b wrote: Heres my proposed cycle...well im starting sunday/monday....

Week 1-2
- super test 0.5ml twice a week
- Tren e 0.5ml twice a week
- dbol - OC labs 5x10mg per day, 10 days
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

Week 3-6
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Tren e 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

weeks 7-10
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Tren e 0.5ml twice a week
- Equi 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

weeks 11-15
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Equi 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week

weeks 16
- super test 1ml twice a week
- Equi 0.5ml twice a week
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week
- winstrol - OC labs 10mg tabs 5 per day, 3 days

week 17
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 3 per week
- winstrol - OC labs 10mg tabs 5 per day, 7 days

week 18-21
- nolvadex - OC labs 20mg tabs 1 tab per day

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shew!

My last cycle ended on 1 june, + 28 days nolva
was ten weeks of ARL Tren E and ARL TestE with DBol frontloading.
Was VERY VERY GOOD!!! gained +- 7kgs, lost 5kg, kept 80% of new strength...

previous cycle to that was TestE + equipoise + dbol, with no nolva..

previous to that it was just tabs..

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Question:
1. is my cycle TOO long? I cant afford and dont want to use GH now.. I'm too young..24...

2. should i try use Glucophage with my PCT at the end? :dry:

3.:silly: what does glucophage do besides lower bloodpressure and "Controlling high blood sugar helps prevent kidney damage, blindness, nerve problems, loss of limbs, and sexual function problems. "

4. :blush: the last time i used tren e... my dick shrunk near the end.. week 8,9,10..took another two weeks to get back to normal.. wat else could i take to fix this problem?

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Shot guys!

My two cents mate. I find this cycle to be problematic due to the following reasons

1) No use of an Anti-estrogen and no sign of a progesterone antagonist for the tren nor derivative
2) seems like a SERM (nolvadex) is being used in place of an AI. which, while can be done, is pretty haphazard when used in conjnction with a nor-derivative (tren) as it will place you at higher risk of progesteron related side effects i,e, (Gyno with possible milk production)
3)Your poor liver is going to be hammered on this cycle. Winnie tabs, tren and dbol, will all be metabolized in the liver at various degrees and i would seriously consider taking some serious liver supprt on this cycle
4) I dont see PCT or intermittent use of HCG to kickstart your HPTA function

Not to discourage you mate. This is a big big cycle which will have good gains. But it also has potentially disastrous side effects. so just stay informed and prepare yourself for any eventualities

GSP

thanks for the reply.... would Proviron work better than Nolvadex?...

i can get liver tabs from my pharmacist

supaN00b wrote: thanks for the reply.... would Proviron work better than Nolvadex?...

i can get liver tabs from my pharmacist

Please read some more. You have no idea what you are doing. How do you even TRY to equate Nolva to Proviron????? How old are you?

@GSP - Though anciliaries are important to keep on hand to combat serious sides, they are there as a safety net. At the doses he is using, the only serious side he will experience is a serious hard-on. And for an oke with his IQ it can be disasterous. How many more of these posts will we have in 18 byears time?

supaN00b wrote: Question:
1. is my cycle TOO long? I cant afford and dont want to use GH now.. I'm too young..24... bud this is your 3rd cycle and you are using a ton of tren since cycle 2? ummm bud honestly this is not a beginners drug and the guy helping u should be kicked in the nuts! you should've after your oral only cycle just done a test only cycle.if you are going to do this cycle,limit it to 10weeks.

2. should i try use Glucophage with my PCT at the end? :dry: why are you using glucophage?what are you trying to achieve using this,all it will do is make you more sensitive to insulin,thats about it,but note there are side effects to this.

3.:silly: what does glucophage do besides lower bloodpressure and "Controlling high blood sugar helps prevent kidney damage, blindness, nerve problems, loss of limbs, and sexual function problems. " bro u shouldnt be using glucophage with out a purpose of using it!!

4. :blush: the last time i used tren e... my dick shrunk near the end.. week 8,9,10..took another two weeks to get back to normal.. wat else could i take to fix this problem? because you shut down and didnt do a proper pct,when using tren your test should be 1.5 x the amount of tren,so if using 300mg tren u should use 450mg - 600mg test a week to combat this,when coming off your tren u need to follow a good pct with HCG,clomid,aromasin and kessar.

also running nolvadex for 16 weeks is a silly idea,it is also liver toxic after a while,use arimadex and proviron instead,yes more expensive but it is also an aromatise inhimbitor,not a serm,also you are might get progesterone sides if using tren and kessar together!why are you running the kessar so long? you trying to keep water down? using a-dex and clean diet for this!

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Shot guys!

Hi guys can someone give
Me advice on storage only
Going to use my stuff next
Year march!if I had it my way
I display it as soon as you
Enter my house the pwg new
Look is dam awesome I tell u
10/10 for the boys at pgw!

jackrabbit1 wrote:

supaN00b wrote: thanks for the reply.... would Proviron work better than Nolvadex?...

i can get liver tabs from my pharmacist

Please read some more. You have no idea what you are doing. How do you even TRY to equate Nolva to Proviron????? How old are you?

@GSP - Though anciliaries are important to keep on hand to combat serious sides, they are there as a safety net. At the doses he is using, the only serious side he will experience is a serious hard-on. And for an oke with his IQ it can be disasterous. How many more of these posts will we have in 18 byears time?

Definately agree with you that ancillaries are used as a safety net mate and should be kept on hand just in case. I think i misread his initial dosages as i thought he was using the supertest twice per week, but i see he has slpit the tren dosages. For me, however, id still recommend using the AI on cycle as i read somewhere that using nor-derivatives in addition to AAS agents which aromatize could make one more susceptible to both estrogenic and progesteron-related side effects. I got a bit scared when i read that and have since never run a nor- and test-based cycle without a low yield of Adex (0.25g EOD) to just ensure that my estrogen levels stay in check. However, perhaps this is not to much of a worry in his case as given Tren's extremely high androgenic ratio, it should act as a natural antagonist for any estrogen which may result due to the test usage. However, if he runs the tren, as DJ and myself mentioned, he needs to drop the SERM as it will increase his chances of getting progesterone related sides. ive run several cycles in the past, but i wont touch tren with a ten-foot pole despite its benefitis. I firmely believe that some agenst such as tren, slin, and DNP, are just too much of a gamble for guys just looking to attain a good physique. Fair enough, if you a competitive BB and your livelihood is pretty much dependent on your aesthtetic appearance, then the argument to include the aforementioned agents as part of your cycle could is somewhat more coherent. If not, best uone stays away from these things, especially if your overall knowledge on the chemical enhancement issue is limited.

Thanks man... I know I'm lacking in the PCT department... its strange cos everyone who swears to have taken roids knows a bit about how to get big, but buggerall about how to keep the gains after u go off...

Thanks again... I'm gonna ask around for some Proviron & Arimedx...
Just out of interst's sake how much should I pay for arimadex & proviron..

And how wud u rate these prices... --sorry if this is not allowed, im not sure.. but here is what i paid --

SuperTest 320 = R per 10ml
Tren e 150 = R per 10ml
Equi 350 = R per 10ml

Um.. i just keep my viles at the back of cupboard, in a drawer... its quite cold and no chance of sunlight hitting it...

I've heard my mates say that if they store it in the fridge, it gets super thick and even more painful to inject...

shaun g wrote: Hi guys can someone give
Me advice on storage only
Going to use my stuff next
Year march!if I had it my way
I display it as soon as you
Enter my house the pwg new
Look is dam awesome I tell u
10/10 for the boys at pgw!

I store mine at the back of cupboard, out of sunlight where it is cool and safe..

Oh Lord have mercy...

supaN00b wrote: Thanks man... I know I'm lacking in the PCT department... its strange cos everyone who swears to have taken roids knows a bit about how to get big, but buggerall about how to keep the gains after u go off...

Thanks again... I'm gonna ask around for some Proviron & Arimedx...
Just out of interst's sake how much should I pay for arimadex & proviron..

And how wud u rate these prices... --sorry if this is not allowed, im not sure.. but here is what i paid --

SuperTest 320 = R per 10ml
Tren e 150 = R per 10ml
Equi 350 = R per 10ml

You're not allowed to discuss pricing on the forum as per the rules. The test is maybe a bit pricey.

sorry guys..

No worries bud. Just edit your prices out.

Howzit guys, just thought I'd give you an update on my progress

Weight:
Day 1 = 80.75kg

Day 5 = 82.75kg

Day 11 = 84.0 kg

Today (Day 14) = 84.5kg

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My diet consists of the following:
7:10AM [50mins b4 gym] = sumthing light, eg. toast with left over beef mince + coffee

9:30AM [after morning gym] = 2scps (200g) HI-CARB protein shake with water (300ml)

12:00PM [snack] = 1/2 tin tuna (with diced onion+tomato) + medium baked potato w/salt+butter

2:00PM [50mins b4 gym*] = 200g chicken fillet + 4 slices bread, butter, tomatoes

4:30PM [after evening gym] = 2scps (200g) HI-CARB protein shake with water (300ml)

7:00PM [dinner] =
Monday: roast chicken [2xdrumstick,1xupper thigh,1xwing], rice, potato, butternut
Tuesday: pasta + beef mince + butternut
Wednesday: 2x crumbed fish fillet + chips + carrots + beans
Thursday: pasta + beef mince + butternut
Friday: roast chicken [2xdrumstick,1xupper thigh,1xwing], rice, potato, butternut // alt. chicken curry + rice

Weekends i just do what I want -- hotdogs, burgers, pizza.
Not drinking much alcohol...had 2 glasses wine this week.
No smoking.

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Training Ritual
Sunday evening : INJECT
Monday: Morning = CHEST (45min) // Evening = TRICEPS (30mins) + 10min cycle
Tuesday: Morning = QUADS (45min)
Wednesday: Morning = SHOULDERS (45min) // INJECT // Evening = BICEPS (30mins) + 10min ABS
Thursday: Morning = CHEST (45min) -- (alt. between dumbell & barbell from monday)
Friday: Morning = SHOULDERS/BACK (45min) // Evening = HAMSTRINGS (30min) + 10min cycle
Saturday: Afternoon = BICEPS (30min) + 10mins ABS
Sunday: rest + INJECT for next week... (my gym is closed on sunday )

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Here's my question:

With using Tren E (& later stacked with Equi),
1. should I be eating more than this?

2. and/or should I cut down my Gym from 9 times a week to just 5 times if I wanna see bigger & more lean gains?

(oh and I'm having 1 tab of Nolvadex on Tuesdays and Saturdays..seems to help with my depro mood...)

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Also any suggestions on making TUNA more exciting?? I hate it so much...lol

Ja i eat my tuna with mayo usually, on some letters and cucumber. Makes a good healthy snack.

Hi Guys,
sorry im new to all this and am bussy doing my resarch on product that I bought and it's suggested use, Im not feeling very convident at the moment. so please all the the help will be most appreciated
I Have ARL
Deca 200
Tren 150
Supertest 350

What is the recomended use?

Recommended use is sending it back to your supplier as Arl is shit juice.second off never mix deca and tren,that's gonna shut u down big time,if u have a little chance of gyno u are going to get massive problems with deca and tren together...I would suggest returning your arl,then do some reasearch on steroids,what cycles have u done before this?

let's just say that it's good that supaN00b is getting his advice from this forum and that he leanrs or be educated here.
Still don't like what he is getting himself into.
No disrespect bro!

Look Im new to this, have been training for sometime never used juice got some idiot at the gym pushing product and thought what the hell it's time to get boosted as results are slowing down. Was charged a small fortune for said product and was given very vage instruction hence the need to find out more, I have not done any cycle before this so i want to do this right so I achieve greatness and not waste my time or Die in the process.
Suggestions would be great unfortunitly refundes or not an option (Besides this guy is F!@#$%^ big and i don't think i can run that fast...)
If it mean scrap what I have then so be it. so please give me your opinion.

then take back the deca and tren and swop it for another bottle of test and some dianabol. run 2 mls of test for 10 weeks and 40mg of dianabol for the first 4-6weeks... u dont need tren or deca on this cycle.. ps i take it u are a durban boy...

Nope Jhb, Self made multi try relocating to Durbs once no money there only honey's and you need money for honey's.
Will try take back bottles today or buy more what ever come's easy.
will let you know tomorrow what the out come is.