mid cycle advice

MCJ
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11 Dec 2010 07:45 #57679 by MCJ

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hi guys. im entering week 7 of my 12 week tren ace, sus, winny and t3 cycle.

i love the tren and would like to get another vial however im sure its not too wise.

so what would u guys suggest? im running sus @ 1,4g per week and winny @ 50mg eod. could i stick to this for the remainder of the cycle or could i increase the winny to 100mg eod or 50mg per day? anything else i could add to the mix say clen?

thanx mates

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jackrabbit1
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11 Dec 2010 07:59 #57680 by jackrabbit1

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How much Tren? I have gone longer myself and found the Tren to only really pick up at 7 - same/very close as NPP.

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11 Dec 2010 08:10 #57681 by MCJ

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tren not high. 80mg eod

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11 Dec 2010 08:35 #57682 by jackrabbit1

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Well i was doing 120+.
I had a scare or two when my urine went really dark so i upped the Water intake and started Cranberry extract pills. Cleared up nicely and doc OK'ed me so i carried on.
I must say that not even the mighty Tren came close to my NPP experience.
I'd say keep safe. Make sure everything is ok and carry on.

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11 Dec 2010 08:56 #57683 by MCJ

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thanx jack

decided i wil do another 3weeks of tren @ 120mg eod. and stick to the current dosages of sus and winny.

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11 Dec 2010 09:00 #57684 by jackrabbit1

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Just make sure everything is ok. Have kidneys tested - especially. Tren is no substance to pussy-foot around with. You better know what you are doing or it will bite you in the ass big time.

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11 Dec 2010 10:05 #57685 by MCJ

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which cranberry extract would u suggest and how much? ive been popping 2 - 3 pills (vital) per day for the past couple of weeks as well as green tea.

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11 Dec 2010 10:48 #57686 by Pumped

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Also get your cholesterol checked aswell.

MCJ how much more aggressive have you become out of 10 from using Tren?I would just like to find out because i am thinking of adding in Tren in my next cycle.

You guys might think I'm crazy,but i know how to achieve greatness.

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11 Dec 2010 11:01 #57687 by MCJ

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@ pumped

to be honest i really do feel that the degree of aggression is totally dependant on the individual. if someone is generally aggresive then aas and tren would def aggrivate the aggression. I also feel many guys use aas as a excuse to justify some bad behaviour.

but back to ur question....

im not an aggresive person unless someone really pushes my buttons. fortunately thus far in my cycle this hasnt happened. BUT i am def more irritable and snappy. hope this helps.

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11 Dec 2010 17:19 #57691 by Empire

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ummm have u been using winny for 7 weeks and are going to carry on for 12 weeks? ummm hmmm not a great idea...hmmm your structure of cycle, i dont quite get the long esters and short esters,i would've used masteron instead of winstrol for the longer periods,this is cos i find that there is less strain on the joints...also when using long ester masteron u shouldnt really need an anti estrogen such as a-dex or letro....

12 weeks of winstrol is gonna damage your lipid profile badly so just get yourself a check up done and see if they can check liver as well as cholesterol...kidneys like jack mentioned are also vital to have checked...

you can add in clen and an eca stack and some form of yohimbine such as sculpt for the last 6 weeks,to cut down some fat...are you using any AI at the moment with the amount of test u are on?

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11 Dec 2010 17:41 #57692 by MCJ

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bn using letro

ill take ur advice and drop the stanazol. rather get sculpt

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11 Dec 2010 17:53 #57693 by MCJ

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so then tren for 3 more weeks acompanied by test and sculpt til week 12?

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11 Dec 2010 18:08 #57694 by Empire

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eish your joints must be taking a serious beating with winny and letro...

this is the way i suggest u use the fat burners

week 1-2 sculpt + clenbutrol
week 3-4 sculpt + Heat
then repeat...

in combination with good clean diet,cardio,minimal calorie cutting back and the rest of the goodies you are on there is a good chance of getting rid of alot of body fat with that combination!!

yohimbine is conjunction with an AI and other thermogenics is a winner especially if you are battling with estrogen related fat patterns and lower body fat(abs and legs etc) diet and cardio is crucial though...thats gonna be a major factor,depending on your eating habits just cleaning up the eating will be a major benefit if u are taking in alot of manufactured carb sources,just simple changes can give u a major benefit.

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11 Dec 2010 18:23 #57695 by MCJ

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trying to email u dj but damn thing wont send. wil send short email and if u could reply it might work better through gmail instead of via site.

actually i have zero joint pain what so ever. check ur inbox

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11 Dec 2010 21:02 #57697 by MCJ

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ok so this is what dj recommended and sounds real nice:

tren ace @ 80mg eod for another 2 weeks
test enanthate @ 1200mg per week till end of remaining 5 weeks
dbol @ 50mg per day for remaining 5 weeks
masteron @ 300mg per week for remaining 5 weeks

or

i can drop the tren and bump the masteron to 450mg per week
(almost off tren for a week now as it ran out)

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12 Dec 2010 05:05 #57699 by MCJ

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going with the tren, test, dbol & masteron option

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12 Dec 2010 06:36 #57702 by vega5

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The d-bol sticks out like sore thumb in that equation.

You dropping winny for d-bol which is just as hard on the liver and retains a lot more water? Doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe just drop the orals completely or rather run Proviron.

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12 Dec 2010 06:45 #57703 by MCJ

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winny i was using was the injectable. water retension with the dbol wont be an issue as it will be with masteron and an AI. also thought dbol sounds weird but after dj's explanation it makes sense.

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12 Dec 2010 10:40 #57709 by vega5

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MCJ wrote: also thought dbol sounds weird but after dj's explanation it makes sense.

Share so we can see the logic.

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12 Dec 2010 10:55 #57712 by 00pump

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MCJ wrote: winny i was using was the injectable. water retension with the dbol wont be an issue as it will be with masteron and an AI. also thought dbol sounds weird but after dj's explanation it makes sense.

Winstrol is winstrol. It doesnt matter if you pop a tab, drink it or inject it. I believe what you have done is steroid abuse and not use. I would not touch dbol after everything you have taken. If you looking at using something to ride into PCT anavar would be your safest bet.. Or even priviron is strong enough to keep you anabolic till the day you start PCT. I also believe it can be run into the first week of PCT and it is mild enough for our body to start to recover while using hCG and a single SERM or a combination of them. I feel this prevents my libido from taking a dip due to provirons action on free test. I would however run your PCT 1 week longer to be safe or just do bloods.

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12 Dec 2010 11:00 #57713 by vega5

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I agree 100% with Pump, I first wanted the explanation the I would have laid into MCJ.

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12 Dec 2010 11:08 #57715 by MCJ

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laid into me? pfft! lets rather not get personal vegas....

wel im gna give it a bash and continue the abuse as mentioned by pump.

im sure dj wouldnt give ill advice

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12 Dec 2010 11:21 #57716 by vega5

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MCJ wrote: laid into me? pfft! lets rather not get personal vegas....

Never meant it like that bud, maybe my opinion would've been better.

That's why I wanted to hear the logic first before going out on a limb.

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12 Dec 2010 11:21 #57717 by MCJ

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the explanation is that dbol has an affect on igf and would lead to some decent gains. estrogen sides should be minimal by running it with masteron and an AI. but yes harsh on liver.

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12 Dec 2010 11:29 #57718 by vega5

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This is a classical example of us evaluating this decision on a theoretical level so it’s your prerogative to go for it or not.

I just think it’s a bit of a risk this late on cycle, remember your body is already my strain from all the anabolics now you're adding to it. Just be safe bud! Use Legalon and cranberry extract + load of water and monitor yourself.

Remember we do this for cosmetic reasons and it’s sometimes not worth it to jeopardise your health.

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