dosages?

I've come to the tipping point and want to delve into my first cycle

Thinking of - test cyp at 500mg a week then wanna run provirom along side, I've read over and over they work well together as it enhances the test and acts as a bit of an anti est...

Then folloing the suggested pct with clomid and kessar by DJ

What dosage should I run the proviron at along side the test for 10 weeks?

Would it be benificial to run armoasin/armidex (sp?) along side aswell? Or will the provrion be strong enough?

Hi JackE, welcome. Good dosage for proviron for first cycle would be 40mg/day.

It's always a good idea to have an AI or anti-estrogen on hand in case you suffer from any estrogenic sides. If you are just using test and proviron then Nolvadex (kessar) will be adequate to use to combat any estrogenic side-effects on cycle if they occur. You will have some on-hand anyway for your PCT. An AI like adex or aromasin would be better but unecessary if running a simple like this. I highly doubt you will get any sides anyway at a relatively low test dosage of 500mg and with the help of the proviron.

Ok brilliant, that sounds good!

How would I use the nova on cycle? So if I start noticing gyno etc, start taking it? And if so, how long do I take it and at what dosage?

no use letrozole or Arimadex or aromasin for any gyno...

StuartF mwntiones nova for the estrogenic sides, I was under the impression he was refering to gyno, fat deposits etc. DJ u recomend letro armidex etc as a "cure" rather than prevention (I know its not 100% effective) - out of aromison and armidex wich has less sides and hepotoxcity? And at what doses would I take it if I notice gyno?

I really don't think it's necessary spending a lot of money on a-dex, aromasin or letro just in case gyno appears, especially on a light test/prov cycle. During the cycle if you notice itchy/puffy nipples 60-80mgs of nolva per day should be fine until it subsides. If it persists then maybe think about getting some a-dex, letro or aromasin. I suppose if budget is not a problem then it wouldn't hurt having some letro on-hand.

Not to be funny, but please never take 60/80mg of Nolva, that is so toxic and dangerous I can't even begin to explain.. 20mg is more than enough.. Nolva is only so effective so taking higher doses will yield hardly any greater benefit yet add a list of potentially dangerous side effects, cancer, etc.

Always have an AI on hand before you start a cycle, if you sensitive like me, and you don't have an AI to start right away you going to kuk off and probably will be to late by the time you get it.. You have a few days to correct these side effects if you start to experience them. You actually have to correct these sides the day you feel them, once the gland starts to grow, there is nothing you can do, except get it chopped out. Maybe it might shrink at the end of your cycle, however for the rest of your life it will keep getting worse each cycle you do.

If you don't have the money for an AI, then don't do a steroid cycle.

Start the AI as soon as you notice any signs but stack that with a SERM until the itchiness / tingly sensation / puffy, whatever goes down / away and the AI has found a stable level.

Pump, you are the expert on gyno. Perhaps an AI should be included in the first cycle sticky.

Thanks pump! I think its def worth keeping some armidex or aromosin around, which would u recomend? And how much of a "break in case of emergency" supply would I need? And at what doses should I take?

No Stuart, you right, it isn't required for majority of people, but keep it on hand, you may never need it, I know guys who do a couple grams of test a week and never touch an AI.

jack E: 1 Adex is more than enough, if you require it, but as Stuart suggested, the likely hood of needing it is very small, also I don't see the point of using it on that dose, but just in case

I think ill get some adex no point scrimping for first time, can always use it on another cycle down the line.. But if it come to it and I start looking like pam anderson.. What dosage should I take it at ED untill it subsides?

Start with Nolva + Adex right away, 20mg Nolva every day, and use 0.4mg Adex everyday (assuming you using LP Adex)

After about 5 days, the sensation in your nipples should be gone and you can discontinue the Nolva, rather wait 2 days after you are sure it has gone before you discontinue the Nolva.

One last question! Would it be worth while kick starting with d bol for 4 weeks at a low dose - 40mg ed? Or on the other hand will I get enough gains from the test and proviron? On firs
t cycle?

Thanks all again!

you can add the dbol to speed up gains. I find it gives you a nice early boost while you wait for the test to kick in, which is a good motivation. Even if a large portion of the dbol gains are water its worth it in my opinion. Go for it... Just be wary of blood pressure issues, tho letro will sort that out pretty quick

As spike said.

would adding in HCG for pct be of any use in a cycle like this? Will it help with retaining the gains better as well as recovery?

Everyone's bodies work differently, you might find you shut down quite hard, you can use hcg during your cycle from around week 2, 250iu eod, then just do a nolva PCT.