Quality lean mass options

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24 Apr 2011 10:00 #65993 by ABC01
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Hey Guys! I am already contemplating what I want to do 2012 (premature, I know). The rest of this year I’ll experiment with training splits and diet. Next year I would like to put on some quality lean mass. Not too much since I still prefer the fitness model look. Maybe I’ll do a fitness show as well. I want to kick off the year with one of the following cycles:

Option 1:
Week 1-15: Supertest @ 640mg/week
Frontload: Dbol @ 40mg ed week 1-4 or anapolan @ 50mg ed for 7 weeks
Week 1-9: Proviron @60mg ed
Week 10-15: Winstrol @ 50mg ed
Arimidex @ 0.2mg ed
T3 will be run for 9 weeks somewhere in cycle with clen being cycled 2 weeks on/2weeks off during same period
HCG @ 250IU eod for 3 weeks in middle
Basic PCT

Option 2:
Week 1-12: Supertest @ 512mg/week (1.6ml)
Week 1-12: EQ @ 560mg/week (1.6ml)
Week 1-6: Proviron @ 60-80mg ed
Week 7-12: Winstrol @ 50mg ed
Arimidex @ 0.2mg ed
HCG @ 250IU eod for 3 weeks in middle
T3 for 6 weeks somewhere in cycle
Basic PCT

Reason I added winstrol at end of cycle and not in timeframe leading to PCT is because I normally go to Europe in may so I’ll plan cycle that I leave I day after last pin
Which of these do you guys think will give best quality gains

Thanks in advance
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24 Apr 2011 13:38 #65998 by SNOK1986
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Id do option 2, and maybe do the prov from week 1 to 12 or the last 6 weeks with the winni. Just my thoughts.

No lets not deadlift as I need a double hip replacement haha
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24 Apr 2011 19:32 #66001 by vega5
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I'm leaning towards option 2.

I'd personally push the test higher and run the Proviron right through the cycle

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25 Apr 2011 07:52 #66027 by shaunrsa
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Option 2 with the EQ looks better imo. I'd definitely up the Test though. I'd also run the Proviron for longer.

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25 Apr 2011 09:19 - 25 Apr 2011 09:20 #66028 by ABC01
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My reasom for running the proviron up until the winstrol is just to try stay nice and hard till i get to winstrol and then the winni would handle that issue till end of cycle. But i guess running proviron right through is beneficial. Maybe up the supertest to 2ml/week then. Looking forward to see what the EQ does

@ SNOK: Why would you consider running the proviron rather at end of cycle with the winni (i know your 1st choice is running it entire cycle)

Where in cycles would you guys add the T3?
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25 Apr 2011 13:02 #66038 by SNOK1986
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Reason for me would be by then at the end of the cycle you receptors need a bit of help so the proviron will free up some testoterone lingering around ur body that is being stubborn. In combination with the winni will give nice hard lean gains at end of the cycle, could drop some water as well.

But if u can, run it through ur entire cycle.

No lets not deadlift as I need a double hip replacement haha

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25 Apr 2011 13:54 #66039 by shaunrsa
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Run the T3 anytime once the Test has kicked in nicely. You can also run it longer than 6 weeks if you want

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25 Apr 2011 15:17 #66042 by vega5
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I'd also suggest running it earlier than later in the cycle

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26 Apr 2011 12:12 #66072 by ABC01
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Thanks for all the input guys! Just a quick one: which would be more beneficial, running the proviron through cycle or upping the supertest to 2ml per week?

If i get another vial of supertest and run at 2ml/week i would effectively add another 3 weeks to my cycle to finish it (dont like having stuff left). Probably not a bad thing but that also means effectively adding another 3 weeks of proviron on top of the 6 extra weeks if i run it through cycle. I can stick to 12 weeks and just up the supertest dosage but i dont know if i wanne be running 800mg of test/week. Maybe i over analyze........

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26 Apr 2011 12:32 - 26 Apr 2011 13:04 #66074 by shaunrsa
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First and foremost, I would up the Test. Your ratio of Test to Eq is a little low imo, not enough Test for the amount of EQ. Then run the proviron for as long as you want/can afford. Imo the Test to EQ ratio is the most important here, especially if you want to put on muscle at a decent rate.

Although EQ has very little sides, it does suppress sexual function and is quite slow as a muscle builder, so I would rather run more Test for the amount of EQ. Running the Proviron will also help with any libido issues.

It's going to be hard to cut with it though, cos it's probably going to make you eat like a horse.

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27 Apr 2011 12:39 #66139 by ABC01
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Ok guys im following ur advise and taking option 2. Im adjusting the cycle to the following: Pls comment:

Week 1-15: Supertest @ 640mg/week
Week 4-15: EQ @ 560mg/week
Week 1-15: Proviron @ 60mg ed
Week 10-15: Winstrol @ 50mg ed
T3 week 4-12 (9 weeks)
Arimidex @ 0.2mg ed
HCG @ 250IU week 7-9 eod
PCT: 45days after last pin and will consist of clomid/nolvadex/hcg/aromasin

What u guys think? I know it would be great running EQ from week 1 but that's not going to happen. DJ will be working his wonders with a new diet in this period

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27 Apr 2011 14:04 #66142 by 00pump
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Why is eq not being run from day one... it doesn't make sense

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27 Apr 2011 18:44 #66156 by vega5
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I think it looks nice. The Equi from day 1 would have been optimal.

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28 Apr 2011 17:51 #66201 by ABC01
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00pump wrote: Why is eq not being run from day one... it doesn't make sense


The original cycle lenth was 12 weeks. Im upping the supertest dosage and in order to use all the supertest im buying the cycle length extends to 15 weeks. EQ still running for 12 weeks. So it can either be the first 12 weeks or the last 12 weeks

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28 Apr 2011 18:26 #66204 by jackrabbit1
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ABC01 wrote:

00pump wrote: Why is eq not being run from day one... it doesn't make sense


The original cycle lenth was 12 weeks. Im upping the supertest dosage and in order to use all the supertest im buying the cycle length extends to 15 weeks. EQ still running for 12 weeks. So it can either be the first 12 weeks or the last 12 weeks


It has a longer ester. You should run it from the start and continue a long estered test for a while after.
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01 May 2011 18:13 #66245 by ABC01
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Will run it from day one. Thanks Jackrabbit

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