Cycle Help - Deca or Equipose ??

@Etwa: 100%, if I was going to compete, yes i'd then forget my health and go back on bulking stacks, Test+Deca+Eq+Tren+Primo and front load anadrol..

But that chapter is closed now.. If I miss a meal now, it isn't the end of the world, and I can still have a normal life without carrying my lunchbox with me where ever I go.. I've actually been out of the game for a few years now...

00pump wrote: Hi Doc himself says, he does not see a purpose of using hCG during a cycle, that is from the medical expert. For me I use it as I enjoy having balls, and strangely enough when I was big into my bodybuilding, I found that hCG half way through a cycle got me through any platue I might have been going through, however I don't have any scientific proof of this..

So in week what would you recommend me starting it and for how long? I see it's normally used at 250ui per day and then a day off in between of using it again.

Spk101 wrote: ........I had a look at doctari's pct again and it only explains on using hcg in pct not during cycle.

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/forum/5-post-...octaris-pct-protocol

admin wrote: Below is Doc's basic PCT protocol for cycles with moderate dosages. Cycles with dosages that exceed 3 grams of hormone per week will need a more advanced PCT.

During your course, use 250 to 500 IU's Ovidrel once a week. The higher your testosterone dose, the better it is to use 500IU's. If Deca (any amount) is part of your course, use 500 IU’s. ........

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so 00pump you recon hcg during a cucly gives you balls again?

Like what do you get and where do you addit in , 5000iu and then 500iu ed for 10 days

machine wrote: so 00pump you recon hcg during a cucly gives you balls again?

Like what do you get and where do you addit in , 5000iu and then 500iu ed for 10 days

Machine I use 250iu every 4th day, I run the hCG until its 'old' everyone says it isn't stable after X amount of time, for me the LP works for weeks in the fridge, and I know that because I feel the sensativity in my nipples from it..

why does it make your nipple sensative?

and when do you start it like half waythrough your cycle?

and what do you mean bby it giving you balls again?

Spk101 wrote: Ok so I decided to stick with my initial cycle that was planned.

Week 1-4 Dbol 40mg per day
Week 1-10 deca 300mg per/week
Week 1-12 sustanon 500mg per/week (Split monday/thursday)
Aromasin 20mg a day

Doctari pct - 3

Letro on hand.

Ok guys

In week two of my cycle.
I see signs of prolactin gyno coming on. Nipples are getting puffy and bigger.

I have Cabaser on hand 1mg tabs and letro but as it's prolactin no need for the letro now. Should I stop anything in the cycle or just start the cabaser.
And how much,how long and how many days apart.

what do u mean by prolactin gyno?

Deca does not aromatize into estrogen but rather aromatizes into progesterone. Therefore any anti-estrogens are not going to prevent progesterone/prolactin gyno caused by the Deca (or any 19-nors). You would have to look at getting a progestrone blocker like Parlodel or Dostinex/Cabaser (active ingredient Cabergoline) to combat these side effects.

@Spk101: I would start the Cabaser @ 1mg e3d until symptoms subside. You can also include 1.25mg of letro with this if symptoms persist. Don't stop anything in the cycle unless the gyno gets worse.

However, you will not get a massive rise in progesterone when estrogen is low... So controlling estrogen can and will help in controlling progesterone.

Thanks for the help guys

I will start asap with the cabaser.

Is 1mg not too much e3d?, I have done alot of research on it and most places it says that I should take half e3d?
Even if I read what the other sites and people say , I would rather come here and make sure.

I would stick to 1mg e3d for a week or until symptoms subside. Thereafter carry on with 0.5mg e3d as maintenance.

What do you think pump?

Sounds good