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17 Jul 2011 17:42 #70843 by dude76
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I would like to do my first cycle, but to be totally honest… I’m a bit scared after reading and learning about AAS for the past couple of months. Hence the request for some guidance. I'm also not sure if an oral will be best for a first cycle or a test e only cycle?
I’m looking building some good lean mass and loss some body fat

So this was what I thought would be a safe and solid cycle
1 – 8 anavar 4 wk at 50mg ED and 4wk at 60mg ED split am/pm
1 – 8 Proviron 50mg ED
Essential Liver caps through out
USN 17-TESTO METHOX through out

PCT
1 – 4 Clomid
1 – 4 USN TESTO Tribulus


My specs

36yr
108kg (238lb)
18 – 20% BF
1.83m (6ft)
Lifting solid for 3yr (10years on and off)

Solid diet for the past 4 months, high protein and low carb

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17 Jul 2011 19:38 #70862 by Romp3L
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Something different... i kinda like it. U scared of injectables?
I would put the liver tabs in the pct and not in the cycle as it might hinder gains in an oral based cycle.

u need kessar in the pct.
week 1 of pct u have the clomids in at 50mg ED and from week 2 to 4 u have kessar at 20mg ED.
u can keep in the testo methox and tribilus wer they are. Its fine imo.
I havnt ran a cycle like this...but, i have done orals for 2 weeks running up to a show...similar to this.
I just use it to dry me out a bit ,(harden up) not really gains hey.
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17 Jul 2011 19:47 #70864 by dude76
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Thanx for the reply..... Would you go for this cycle, or a test e cycle as I indicated in my original post? This will be my first....

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17 Jul 2011 20:29 #70867 by Kkkyle
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I say rather go for the test enanthate cycle you will see much better results

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17 Jul 2011 21:43 #70876 by dude76
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Kkkyle wrote: I say rather go for the test enanthate cycle you will see much better results


Dosage? 250ml x 2 per week or 500ml weekly?

Will my pct be ok?

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18 Jul 2011 08:28 #70880 by Pumped
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Ja split the injections, do them every monday and thursday.
If you but PGW test E it will be 300mg's per ml.
So inject 300mg's Monday and 300mg's Thursday.
Injecting twice a week will give you slightly better blood plasma level than simply injecting it once a wekk.

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18 Jul 2011 10:20 #70886 by dude76
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Pumped wrote: Ja split the injections, do them every monday and thursday.
If you but PGW test E it will be 300mg's per ml.
So inject 300mg's Monday and 300mg's Thursday.
Injecting twice a week will give you slightly better blood plasma level than simply injecting it once a wekk.


Great Tx!!! So test e only rather that oral for a first cycle.
Will a 10 week cycle be enough?
Will my PCT be ok for a test e cycle?

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18 Jul 2011 10:29 #70888 by CHAPEL
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no, you need to add kessar in to your PCT.

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18 Jul 2011 11:03 #70894 by dude76
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So this is the updated cycle
1 – 10 300mg x 2 per week

PCT
11 Clomid 50mg ed
12 -14 Kessar 20 mg ed
11– 14 USN TESTO Tribulus

Anything else I should add?

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18 Jul 2011 11:08 #70895 by Koe007
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You starting PCT too early 2* half life of longest ester which enanthate is.

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18 Jul 2011 11:27 #70897 by Romp3L
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Half life 14-21 days after ur last shot.
So start pct at wek 13 if ur last shot is week 10.

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18 Jul 2011 11:37 #70901 by Koe007
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Also no need for Tribulus, Clomid 100mg ed for 1 week.
Nolvadex 20mg/day 30 days.

Should you not consider an oral like d-bol to to kick start your cycle +- 4 weeks 1-4 at 40mg/day.
Just a thought. Cyp and enanthate take me about 2 weeks to fully start getting results.

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18 Jul 2011 12:19 #70905 by dude76
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Koe007 wrote: Also no need for Tribulus, Clomid 100mg ed for 1 week.
Nolvadex 20mg/day 30 days.

Should you not consider an oral like d-bol to to kick start your cycle +- 4 weeks 1-4 at 40mg/day.
Just a thought. Cyp and enanthate take me about 2 weeks to fully start getting results.


Good point about the half life.... Tx

I'm a bit worried about bloat on dbol. Would anavar be an option or is dbol the way to go?

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18 Jul 2011 16:43 #70938 by Wilson
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well with anavar i only start getting increases in strength at about week 3 , i would go for the the dbol. If you are scared of bloat use a AI like letrozole at 0.5mg EOD. My choice would be dbol as it is more cost effective , if you choose var i would run it at 80-100mg a day doses spit up every 6-8 hours.

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18 Jul 2011 19:06 #70948 by dude76
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Thanks for all the help guys!!!

Any other first cycle advise?

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18 Jul 2011 20:40 #70958 by Koe007
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As Wilson said anavar only kicks in at week 3 rather dbol use letro 0.5mg eod for bloat

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27 Jul 2011 20:07 #71602 by dude76
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Ok

So this is the updated cycle
1 - 4 dbol 30mg ed
1 – 10 300mg x 2 per week
Letrozole 0.5mg eod

PCT
13 Clomid 50mg ed
14 -18 Nolva 20 mg ed


I have a few questions again please....

What will be the best to keep at hand if signs of gyno appears?
Will 600mg test e not be too much for a first cycle?
I can't find kessar.... Do I need it in the pct? Can I use something else?
Anything else that I am missing?

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28 Jul 2011 09:36 #71612 by Pumped
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Your dose of Letro is too high. 0.2mg's EOD is enough. Letro is some powerful stuff .@0.5mg's EOD your joints are gonna be hammered and you're sex drive will be lost,and trust me when I say this it takes some time for your sex drive to return as well,bad luck if you have a begging wife or GF. :lol:

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28 Jul 2011 10:24 #71619 by dude76
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Pumped wrote: Your dose of Letro is too high. 0.2mg's EOD is enough. Letro is some powerful stuff .@0.5mg's EOD your joints are gonna be hammered and you're sex drive will be lost,and trust me when I say this it takes some time for your sex drive to return as well,bad luck if you have a begging wife or GF. :lol:


Thanx Pumped, I will take it down to 0.2mg. Any advise on my other questions?

Thanks!!!

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28 Jul 2011 10:29 #71620 by Koe007
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I have a few questions again please....

What will be the best to keep at hand if signs of gyno appears? Letro is fine
Will 600mg test e not be too much for a first cycle? Not imo
I can't find kessar.... Do I need it in the pct? Can I use something else? Nolvadex and Kessar are the same thing.
Anything else that I am missing? Im sure by now you realise your biggest growth will be affected by your diet. If that is fine, good luck with your cycle.

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28 Jul 2011 10:40 #71622 by dude76
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Koe007 wrote: I have a few questions again please....

What will be the best to keep at hand if signs of gyno appears? Letro is fine
Will 600mg test e not be too much for a first cycle? Not imo
I can't find kessar.... Do I need it in the pct? Can I use something else? Nolvadex and Kessar are the same thing.
Anything else that I am missing? Im sure by now you realise your biggest growth will be affected by your diet. If that is fine, good luck with your cycle.


Thanx Koe007!!!
Yes, I have been studying DJ's work on diets and nutrition. I have made a lot of chances to my diet in the past 2 months based on DJ's stickys. I have also adjusted my training. Trying to keep it simple.

Day 1 - push
Day 2 - pull
Day 3 - legs
Then repeat, with Sunday off

Also cardio at night (spinning or squash)

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28 Jul 2011 18:30 #71647 by dude76
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One more thing....
I'm thinking of replacing dbol with Tbol for leaner results and it will be easier on gyno?

Any thoughts?

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28 Jul 2011 18:37 #71648 by Koe007
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If you have the money good choice

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28 Jul 2011 19:08 #71655 by dude76
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Awesome!!!
Dosage? Will 40mg ed be good split 20 am and 20 pm?

Do I only take it on training day or 7 days a week?

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29 Jul 2011 17:21 #71711 by dude76
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Awesome!!!
Dosage? Will 40mg ed be good split 20 am and 20 pm?

Do I only take it on training day or 7 days a week?

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