First cycle this year

Good evening gents

Weight - 75kgs
B.f - 11% and dropping

Been training for roughly 3 years now. Previously I've run a test only cycle of Testoviron at 500mg/week & was very pleased with the results. However I did lose alot of it through Dec holidays ( eating shit, not training properly etc ). This year I havent made use of anabolic agents, just been focusing on the little things and have progressed rather nicely.

Anyways, I am now looking to run a cycle before the end of the year. Wanting to continue in the manner i am in exchanging body fat for leam muscle mass. With budget restrictions and time I'm looking at the following.

Weeks 1-2 Dbol - 40mg/day (I have dbol in my cupboard so thinking of making use of it)
Weeks 1-8 Test prop - 100mg/day Mon/wed/fri (300mg/week)
Weeks 1-8 Proviron - 30mg/day
Weeks 8-10 Winstrol - 40mg/day

As I've read, one must wait 3X the half life before starting PCT. So give or take 14days after my last shot? hence the use of win from weeks 8-10 while waiting for steroids build up to deminish.

PCT will consist of the PCT 2 given on the forum.

Diet is very important as i know. Currently i am consuming 2300cals, 270g protein, 190g carbs, 40g fats. Give or take an inch here and there. My carbs are mainly breakfast, pre & post workout. Although i do find my body responds quite well if a bit of carbs are added in some other meals. This of course i will monitor as i go along, slowly increasing my calories and carbs when i find appropriate, with sufficent cardio. I have come to learn about my body over time.

Some questions i have:

1. I am very pron to gyno, so i am wanting to prevent this as much as possible. Should i use an AI through or can i just use letro at.25mg EOD & adjust as needed?
2. If i swop the Hcg for Ovidrel will the dosage still be the same?
3. If i look to add in some fat lose agents, when would be best to use such?

PS. Thanks for the great forum

Weeks 1-2 Dbol - 40mg/day (I have dbol in my cupboard so thinking of making use of it)
Weeks 1-8 Test prop - 100mg/day Mon/wed/fri (300mg/week)
Weeks 1-8 Proviron - 30mg/day
Weeks 8-10 Winstrol - 40mg/day

Id extend Dbol Weeks 1-4
Proviron 50mg/day Weeks 6-10 or throughout
Winstrol 50mg/day Weeks 6-10

PCT seems fine for this cycle no need to change it.

why not run the prop for longer (10 weeks?) and kick in with the winny after that?

how much will you be upping your cal intake when on this cycle?

Your calories are too low,I would get them closer to 2600 for a cycle

Id extend Dbol Weeks 1-4
Proviron 50mg/day Weeks 6-10 or throughout
Winstrol 50mg/day Weeks 6-10

PCT seems fine for this cycle no need to change it.

Koe, i was only planning on using the dbol i had, which is sufficient for 2 weeks at 40mg/day. Would u recommend that extra 2 weeks strongly? I think i am going to swop it up and run the win at 50/day from weeks 6-10 as u say.

why not run the prop for longer (10 weeks?) and kick in with the winny after that?

how much will you be upping your cal intake when on this cycle?

Etwa, as i said im currently on 2300cal. As DJ said, i should be eating a min of 2600cal. When i start i'll be bumping up my intake to 2600cal and hopefully going to 3000+.

As i previously asked above, will running letro at 0.25mg EOD be sufficent to help with gyno problems as i am prone to it?

Thanks gents

The DAB wrote:

Id extend Dbol Weeks 1-4
Proviron 50mg/day Weeks 6-10 or throughout
Winstrol 50mg/day Weeks 6-10

PCT seems fine for this cycle no need to change it.

Koe, i was only planning on using the dbol i had, which is sufficient for 2 weeks at 40mg/day. Would u recommend that extra 2 weeks strongly? I think i am going to swop it up and run the win at 50/day from weeks 6-10 as u say.

why not run the prop for longer (10 weeks?) and kick in with the winny after that?

how much will you be upping your cal intake when on this cycle?

Etwa, as i said im currently on 2300cal. As DJ said, i should be eating a min of 2600cal. When i start i'll be bumping up my intake to 2600cal and hopefully going to 3000+.

As i previously asked above, will running letro at 0.25mg EOD be sufficent to help with gyno problems as i am prone to it?

Thanks gents

Letro will be fine at 0.25mg eod, optimal for the dbol would be 4 weeks, as DJ showed me it has far greater benefits than just a frontload, especially with increased calories.

Thanks for the help Koe and others Looking forward to getting this under way

I'm also looking to add in some clen & heat. When would be best to use this ? I read in another thread that clen keeps your body anabolic and that it would be a good idea to use it after pct, in turn keeping my body anabolic for longer and therefore retaining more gains? Anyone care to elaborate?

Id use it in the 4 week period you are on Winstrol 2 weeks Clen, 2 Weeks Heat.

Koe007 wrote: Id use it in the 4 week period you are on Winstrol 2 weeks Clen, 2 Weeks Heat.

I agree with doing the clen/heat with the winny. If you run the clen/heat for more than 6weeks then I would think about getting some betasleep to run with it, reason being that your beta-receptors start to burn out after about 6 weeks (clen and eph downregulate the same beta-receptors). This is also the reason why clen only is cycled two weeks on/2 weeks off to allow beta-receptors to regenerate in the weeks off. If you can it would be better to get hold of ketotifen which will have to be perscribed by your doctor. The active ingredient in ketotifen is found in betasleep just in lower concetration, so it will do. (There is a post by Doctari on the subject which goes ito more detail).

Just for interest's sake Koe, do you use betasleep or ketotifen. From my experiece if I don't use it with clen/heat, after about six weeks neither of them even touch sides (no shakes at all from clen no matter what dosage) and this is obviously due to my beta-receptors being fried.

I prefer Ketotifen much more potent at refreshing receptors imo. Also the betasleep makes me groggy the next day.

Waddup Gents

Just something I'm a little confused about. I'm having some trouble getting hold of letro, and arimidex is quite pricey. I've read that one can run kessar during a cycle to surpress estrogen sides (gyno) but i've also read it may hinder gains?

Can some one advise me correctly? Thanks gents

It doesn't really hinder gains, and has been years for years now before AI's came into the picture, I just don't like running them for too long as there is health risk, read the Nolva article on the site..

00pump wrote: It doesn't really hinder gains, and has been years for years now before AI's came into the picture, I just don't like running them for too long as there is health risk, read the Nolva article on the site..

Its going to be incorperated in an 8 week prop cycle. Even at half dosage like 10mg/day?

Thanks for the reply pump

Hmm, 10mg will be allot safer ofcourse. Ye, stick to 10mg and take it from there..