Noob Question Var and Thistle

Liam
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27 Aug 2011 10:14 #74172 by Liam

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Guys, I'm in week 7 of my Test E, HGH & Var cycle and I'm about to kick in the var. My question is, how much milk thistle will I require on on 60mg of var spread out morn,midday, evening and how often would I need to take it.

Additionally, I started feeling lower back pain especially the day after I pin. Should I be concerned?

Cheers guys.

DJ, I'd like to send you my diet as well and maybe you could work your magic.

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Empire
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27 Aug 2011 10:30 #74176 by Empire

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try pin your delts with a 26guage needle,see if that stops the lower back pain...cool email through to admin and i will get back to u

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Fakey_AK
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27 Aug 2011 12:23 #74196 by Fakey_AK

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id drop the milk thistle and go for 3000mg ala

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Liam
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27 Aug 2011 13:57 #74218 by Liam

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Thanks guys!

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Koe007
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27 Aug 2011 17:02 #74229 by Koe007

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Fakey_AK wrote: id drop the milk thistle and go for 3000mg ala

Why 3000mg ala what value would that add? Just asking as I thought ala being an antioxidant stabilizes blood sugar and aids absorption of carbs without the spike in insulin.
I rate Legalon over milk thistle as it does not diminish my gains whilst on orals

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Fakey_AK
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27 Aug 2011 17:12 #74231 by Fakey_AK

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Hey koe007

Exactly for the reasons u mentioned and i've also read that it re-generates damaged liver hepatocytes and does many more for other organs overall just better for the body.

Plus i believe milk thistle to do jack.

But u can go with a dose of 1000md ed too

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Empire
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27 Aug 2011 17:18 #74233 by Empire

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All I can say is I have used 500mg of ala 2x daily,your blood sugar will drop so low u will feel sick and u will want to vomit..just my bit of input

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Frost_74
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27 Aug 2011 17:23 #74234 by Frost_74

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Hi guys,

I am not that experienced but what i do know and have done research on is milk thistle. It only has 1 phase in it, by that i mean that it actually breaks down the properties of the toxin in the liver but then does not have much more to do. I would look to a liver script sort product that can break up the molecules in phase 1 and then have a second phase property that actually gets rid of the toxins. By taking a product like thistle on its own you can actually have bad side effects as your body now just has lots of smaller molecules of toxins to deal with and can land up doing more harm than good.
Just my 2 cents worth.

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Fakey_AK
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27 Aug 2011 17:25 - 27 Aug 2011 17:26 #74235 by Fakey_AK

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Noted DJ - i just checked and that can be abit high for most. Me thinks me gonna be quiet now :oops:

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Koe007
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27 Aug 2011 17:31 #74236 by Koe007

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Thanks Fakey I never knew about the liver regeneration, when up to 1000mg/day I feel like passing out.

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Fakey_AK
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27 Aug 2011 17:51 #74237 by Fakey_AK

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Out of interest sakes what does legalon price lately?

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vega5
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27 Aug 2011 18:35 #74238 by vega5

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I think around R450 at the pharmacy on script

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Koe007
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27 Aug 2011 18:39 #74239 by Koe007

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I pay R160 for 40 tabs taking 6/day so it's quite costly pre contest but it's worth it

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Liam
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28 Aug 2011 11:25 #74269 by Liam

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Thanks for all the replies guys. I decided I will go will Koe007 advice and head down the road of legalon. on 60mg of Var, would I also need to drop at least 6 tabs a day?

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Koe007
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28 Aug 2011 12:35 #74273 by Koe007

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Although var does increase liver values it's not very harsh on the liver, 1 three times a day would be ok.

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Deadgoat
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28 Aug 2011 12:43 #74277 by Deadgoat

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How much does the legalon/MT limit your gains? Does it limit size, strength or both?

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STUARTF
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28 Aug 2011 12:55 #74279 by STUARTF

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Ja Deadgoat, I would also like to know. Many use Legalon and avoid Milk Thistle but they are very similar, both use Silibinin as the active ingredient.

I honestly always use Milk thistle on-cycle, always have. I would rather sacrifice some muscle gain, than having my liver fall out.

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28 Aug 2011 13:01 #74280 by Deadgoat

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I remember having a chat with this massive endocrinologist once, he told me that anything with DADA will all but eliminate the hepatoxicity of all orals, your thoughts on this?

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STUARTF
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28 Aug 2011 13:26 #74281 by STUARTF

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Deadgoat wrote: I remember having a chat with this massive endocrinologist once, he told me that anything with DADA will all but eliminate the hepatoxicity of all orals, your thoughts on this?

DADA is the mother of all liver protectants. It's just a mission to find. There is a product called synthegine sold in Australia that has DADA in it. Check it out..

www.synthetek.com/products/synthergine-liver-protectant/

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Koe007
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28 Aug 2011 14:45 #74282 by Koe007

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For some reason the milk thistle hinders gains much more than Legalon,this I have seen practically I think tge Mt seems to block all toxins by breaking them down whilst the Legalon detoxifies, I stand to be corrected but I saw a difference when shifting to legalon in that gains were steady but whilst off all protection gains were more rapid this was whilst on npp,supertest and dbol

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