which one ?

stats now
105kg@17bf
age 21
diet:a bit up to shit but still get roughly 3700kcal's a day hence the high bf ,will drop as close to 12% as possible before cycle
cycle hist.: second cycle
goal:110kg@7-10% bf

1-8 test prop 200mg eod
1-6 npp 150mg eod
7-10 winstrol 50mg ed
7-10 proviron 60mg ed
11-12 clomid 100mg ed
12-16-kessar 20mg ed
12-15 hcg 500iu eod
12-16 Aromasin 20mg ed
1-8 letro@ 0.25mg or as needed
or

1-8 test c 750mg-1000mg per week
1-4 40mg Turinabol ed
9-12 winstrol 50mg ed
9-12 proviron 60mg ed
13-14 clomid 100mg ed
14-17-kessar 20mg ed
14-16 hcg 500iu eod
14-17 Aromasin 20mg ed
1-8 letro@ 0.25mg or as needed

thethe fist option is the better one to go for to be honest,running cyp for 8 weeks is a waste,i would go for cyp at 10-15 weeks around there..u are hoping to gain about 13kgs of muscle bud thats alot to ask from a cycle like those...

thanx for the reply,first cycle gained almost 10kg muscle so ill see wt happens this is a bit more compounds tho ,what do you think of 6 weeks T3 in there ?

if u are wanting to gain muscle then no good.. yes u may have gained 10kgs in your first cycle but it is your first cycle bud,i wish i could gain like i did when i started.

get what you saying, im rather in it for low bf than muscle mass ,so what is a realistic expectation would you say ? btw good job helping koe its amazing what you guys pulled off

thought long and hard and im not mentally ready this year its going to be extremely difficult to do the cycle perfectly ,going to be working in africa for 6-8 weeks ,so i think im going to move the cycle to next year when everything has settled to be exact 6 feb. 2012 ,now im just speculating i know im going to change my mind again in the future but here goes

1-16 test. c 750mg p\w
1-14 eq. e 700mg p\w
17-20 winstrol 50mg p\d
17-20 proviron 60mg p\d
21-22 clomid 100mg ed
22-25-kessar 20mg ed
22-24 hcg 500iu eod
22-25 Aromasin 20mg ed
letro@ 0.25mg or as needed

roidolone wrote: get what you saying, im rather in it for low bf than muscle mass ,so what is a realistic expectation would you say ? btw good job helping koe its amazing what you guys pulled off

Well then do your diet properly first, that's the way to get bf% down and then concentarate on putting on some lean gains

i can drop to 12% bf fast but from there its slow,what i was trying to say is less watter-retention ,going to do calorie drop + cardio till next year and start with the aas 6 feb.
its better health-wise then you don't have to worry too much about cholesterol and BP