Lean Mass Cycle

Hey Guys,

I'm in and out of this forum but for discussions of cycles I need to be extra extra safe and keep anonymous and not have it in public domain. Apologies to admin in advance for setting up a 2nd account, I did drop you an email about it

I am over 30, been training for the last 6 yrs. My diet is good 90% of the time and I'm now looking to run my first cycle. I realise that most will tell me to run test as the base for any cycle and especially the first but after reading through the sample cycles on this site and through other websites I have decided to omit it from the cycle.

I am primarily after lean mass with a reduction in body fat, I 100% realise that diet needs to be in check for those benefits to take place and that is being set up as I type

Any help and pointers would be appreciated I know 00Pump loves the Primo so I'm hoping you'll chime in

Option 1
Oral Turinabol - Week 1-4 - 40mg per day - kickstart
Primo E - Week 1-10 - 600mg per week - pin once per week
Proviron - Week 1-10 - 40mg per day

Clomid - Week 13 - 100mg per day
HcG - Week 14-16 - 500iu per week
Nolva - Week 14-18 - 20mg per day

Option 2
Primo E - Week 1 - 1200mg - frontload - Day 1 600, Day 2 400, Day 4 200
Primo E - Week 2-10 - 600mg per week
Proviron - Week 1-10 - 40mg per day

PCT as above

I favour Option 2 because of the single compound throughout and having never done a cycle before I will be able to fully identify what is causing any particular side effects. I know some don't like to frontload and rather kickstart but I have read plenty of reviews stating both good and bad.

Would I also need to bring in some hcg during or because its only 10 weeks it wouldn't be necessary?

Thanks again

Big Eat

Still no replies

Any help at all guys would be appreciated.

Hi bigeat

As you said, Primo is uaully always stacked with test. The reason for this is that it can shut down the HPTA and lower libido quite drastically. I would personally always run it with an equilavent dose of test.

I know pump has been running primo with low doses of test, so perhaps he's the man to ask....


You are obviously after a lean, dry look so I reckon Option 1 would be best. T-bol (oral turinabol) is a good compound to use for a lean cutting cycle frontload. The primo/oral t/prov all do not aromatise into estrogen so no need for a AI.

I feel that if you've never run a cycle before, a huge dose of Primo for a frontload might be too much for your body. It often happens with a test prop frontload where the body just gets dosed with to much and it develops test flu (feverish symtoms caused by a sudden increase in blood hormone levels).

If you stick with just the primo base cycle then you would be able to get away with PCT protocol 2 which is Clomid/Nolva. There will be no harm adding HCG though, might actually be a good idea.

Not much more to add, STUARTF has pretty much summned it up...

From all the experience shared about primo i have to ask if 10 weeks is enough. Maybe closer to 15weeks perhaps?

Extend it, and include Primo Ace to ride out the long ester

Thanks StuartF, ABC and 00Pump - appreciate the help. Glad I wasn't too far off the mark in putting it together.

The only reason I didn't include test was because of sticking to one product to see what sides were from what, but then seeing as I'm using turinabol as a kickstart then that goes out the window.

I planned 10 weeks as that takes me up until I go away at Christmas, and I won't be able to take any gear with me due to customs. Also based on 00Pumps oral only version was only 10 weeks. I realise that is based on the oral which doesn't have the long ester so kicks in a lot sooner, but figured with the OT as a kickstart it would raise plasma levels to a sufficient level to make 10 weeks a good bet still.

Also being a first cycle, would I not want to keep the cycle nearer 8-10 weeks rather than 14-16 weeks?

Thanks again guys

Big Eat

Primo is a relatively safe steroid so there is no need to worry about running it for long periods. Perhaps start the cycle a bit earlier and extend it to 12 - 14 weeks or maybe even run a Primo Ace instead.

STUARTF wrote: Primo is a relatively safe steroid so there is no need to worry about running it for long periods. Perhaps start the cycle a bit earlier and extend it to 12 - 14 weeks or maybe even run a Primo Ace instead.

Thanks StuartF

Well if I order today it will probably only come middle of next week if I'm lucky, depending on processing. So 10 weeks is pretty much all I can get in before going away.

Primo is quite a hit already, primo ace even more so - will look at that now.

Maybe I should consider a different 6-10 week lean cycle instead, rather than trying to force fit Primo into a short cycle.

A shorter cycle now to assess reactions and sides would then enable me to recover quicker over the holidays, and it would be less time on PCT and then less time to wait before potentially going on a full 16 week Primo/Test cycle in the new year.

Any ideas?

Whenever you incorporate a long ester into a cycle it is better to run it for long periods. A 10 week primo cycle will be on the limit but nothing less. Rememeber you also have to wait a few weeks before you start PCT and this could pose a problem if you're going through customs at an airport.

Generally if you are looking at a short blitz cycle then the shorter esters will be better. Test Prop is the best short ester test and it makes a good stack with a DHT or DHT combo of masteron prop, winstrol, anavar, proviron etc. Test prop/mast prop/winny always makes a good short 6 - 8 week 'wam bam thanyou mam' cycle

Thanks StuartF

The reason I favoured the long ester was so I didn't have to pin several times a week like with Prop.

What I'll probably do is change my diet and possibly just follow 00Pumps Anavar & Proviron cycle for 10 weeks till I go away, then leave the long Primo cycle till the New Year when I return from holiday. That way I can recover over the xmas, get through New Year and January - by Feb/March time I should be ready for Primo/Test cycle

Also gives me time to save up for the extra weeks

Thanks again!

Big Eat

Better idea big eat.. I strongly recommend LP Anavar though, as anavar can be seriously faked, don't take a chance with it, as it isn't the cheapest steroid.

Big eat, I think you will be dissapointed with a var only cycle. Depending on your physique if you are not already packing adequate muscle mass or lean muscle mass I am sorry to say that var is not your answer. Primo and var dosen't come cheap, I would say stick to the basics first i.e. test and only when you have sufficient muscle mass or lean muscle mass then start to play around with the fancy stuff to refine/sculp you physique.

Ye var and Primo isn't cheap, and when you do the cycles do it PROPERLY... If you do it properly its mind blowing stuff..

big eat wrote: The only reason I didn't include test was because of sticking to one product to see what sides were from what, but then seeing as I'm using turinabol as a kickstart then that goes out the window.

Brother I'm 34, had my first cycle - Test Cyp cycle this year. You won't BELIEVE what test will do for you over this 10 weeks at this age. I will not do any cycle ever without test. And Test at our age will probably be the last item that will give you sides.

How does a primo 800mg a week, anavar 40mg-60mg a week, gh 4iu a day cycle for 8-10weeks sound to you guys? i have done test e, test prop and eq cycles in the past and don't want to use test again but will add it at 250mg a week if the primo is going to shut me down and mess with my sex drive...

Thanks everyone for the input and advice - all taken on board and appreciated.

I got my blood tests back today which I was going to use as a base for before I start my cycle.

I had liver, cholesterol, test, free test, SHBG, and a few other things done - some good and some definitely not so good. I'm in my early 30's and my test is definitely below par yet my cholesterol and liver is good.

Now seeing as cholesterol converts into testosterone - and that doesn't appear to be happening very well the cholesterol could be leaking into cortisol instead, this would also potentially explain why i struggle to drop body fat. I grow muscle and change shape quite well but despite diet being in check the body fat doesn't respond accordingly.

I will be checking thyroid function now as well to see where that is at....

So this thread has taken a completely different turn than I was expecting!

Big Eat