When to start first cycle ?

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19 Oct 2011 08:09 - 19 Oct 2011 08:13 #78836 by INCUBUS
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I am almost 35 years old 5.10 h and currently weigh 69kg ( i know skinny hey )
Been training for about 2 years at home , and properly for the last year after doing proper research.
I have put on some muscle and gained some good definition but want more. My dilema is this although I am skinny I have never seen my abs in my life ( skinny with a stomuch it sux ) anyway I am currently cutting and can now for the first time ever I can see my top ab muscle ( still covered in a little fat though).After researching riods for a while now I have finally decided to do a simple cycle of testocyp only for 10 weeks followed by pct ( not looking to get massive with my small frame just add a few kg of muscle ) thus a test only cycle. So my question is this do I wait finish cutting and get the abs i have never had or go for the bulk and the cycle? Summer is already here so I dont really want to be adding fat again. Should have done the cycle in winter then done the cut now but its a bit late for that now.
What u guys recon I should do ?
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19 Oct 2011 15:49 #78896 by David.biohazard
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philip wrote: I am almost 35 years old 5.10 h and currently weigh 69kg ( i know skinny hey )
Been training for about 2 years at home , and properly for the last year after doing proper research.
I have put on some muscle and gained some good definition but want more. My dilema is this although I am skinny I have never seen my abs in my life ( skinny with a stomuch it sux ) anyway I am currently cutting and can now for the first time ever I can see my top ab muscle ( still covered in a little fat though).After researching riods for a while now I have finally decided to do a simple cycle of testocyp only for 10 weeks followed by pct ( not looking to get massive with my small frame just add a few kg of muscle ) thus a test only cycle. So my question is this do I wait finish cutting and get the abs i have never had or go for the bulk and the cycle? Summer is already here so I dont really want to be adding fat again. Should have done the cycle in winter then done the cut now but its a bit late for that now.
What u guys recon I should do ?


ok first of all I think you should get your proper stats taken, how is your eating? This is the first thing that will need attention, give us what you eat gram for gram and maybe we can help you out with that. That will be the key to putting on muscle and loosing bf at the same time in conjunction with some cardio. Why aren't you front loading with dbol for 4weeks? Have you read begginers bulk cyle, and do you know what you are going to do for pct? I reckon once you have all these in place, then you should be ready

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19 Oct 2011 16:58 #78915 by INCUBUS
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Here is an example of my current low carb cutting diet!
meal 1 evox 100% whey shake
meal 2 50gr oats & small apple
meal 3 100% whey or 100g biltong
meal 4 chicken breast 200g with 60g rice
meal 5 about 50g almonds
meal 6 chicken or beef 300g / salad
meal 7 evox casien shake before bed

This will need to change if I decide to start test?
I also take flaxseed and multi vitamin and obviously drink lots of water.
I am normally in a cal def of around 500 cal per day.
I have lost about 4kg since i started cutting a month ago.
My cardio consist of surfing and canoeing and is done 3 to 4 time per week

I have read all the bigginers cycles on this site and other sites, As i said I am not looking to gain a huge amount mass so is it worth the risk of taking 2 steriods one being an oral ( liver issues )
when I can get the gains I need from one ? I have researched alot on test only cycles and most of the reports were very positive ?

I will have arimidex available while on test cycle and then nolvadex for pct!

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19 Oct 2011 17:53 #78917 by Empire
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Your diet is lacking in calories,u must be starving all the time.

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19 Oct 2011 18:11 #78918 by INCUBUS
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Proteins are probably a bit higher than that per day , maybe I am trying to cut too fast but generally I eat often so I am not battleing with hunger.

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19 Oct 2011 20:22 #78938 by David.biohazard
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@Phil have you read the dieting stikies? If you want the best results it's about carb timing especially pre and post workout. Best thing for you now is to get to 10% bf so that when you increase your calories when on cycle you will also increase carb intake. Your abs will be your guage on whether or not your body is burning up those carbs or storing it. Abs = burning carbs and no abs = storing carbs. So by that you can now see whether your carb intake is good without putting bf or it isn't storing bf. If I can be honest best thing is to get diet in order, then get to 10% and then start your cycle. This is the best way to gain lean muscle, exactly the way you want

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20 Oct 2011 08:17 #78985 by INCUBUS
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@david Thanks for the info so far ,I am going to wait a month to start the cycle so I have time to drop a bit more body fat and see if I can get the abs ( I have had a closer look at the diet plans in the aticlies and will follow djs recommendations ) . When I do start the cycle I think I will keep it simple and try and maximise gains and not worry too much about keeping my body fat % very low , doing that will only negitivly impact my muscle gains , I need to get more experience with weight loss dieting before I try that.I am out of the country at the end of Nov for about 5 days and dont want to have health issues there ( its 3rd world country) so will start when I am back.

With regards to the cycle itself - still deciding about the dbol with the test cyp ? Most of what I have read about dbol only cycles says you dont retain most of the gains from it alone.So is it primarilly use to gain strenth and size so that once you stop the dbol and the test has kicked in you have a running start to really maximize the potential of the test ?

Last question I plan on getting arimidex should I only take it during the cycle if I feel the onset of sides or can I take it prophylactically if so when do I start taking it ?

Thanks Phil

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20 Oct 2011 16:14 #79038 by David.biohazard
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Would definitly frontload it, you answered the reason why in your last post. It's up to you whether or not you want to run adex from the word go or if you start feeling itchy swelling nipples. As it is your first cycle you don't know if you are prone to gyno. If you want to run it through the cycle would run eod. Also recomended to start it a week before your cycle to get the full benifits and you can use throughout your cycle, the only negative sides is it might play on your immune system and cholesterol but should be fine short term (throughout cycle). It's great for keeping water retention down and great for keeping estrogen sides at bay

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21 Oct 2011 13:34 #79124 by INCUBUS
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Thank david , you lost me at eod ( actually had to google it, blind ....every other day lol) Why dont most guys do it as a matter of course , is it mostly cause of cost or some guys arent prone to it ?
Anyway I will most likely go with the dbol load and test cyp for the cycle.

Cheers and thanks for the help

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