Contest-prep cycle

To the more informed ones (Doctari, Mxt ect)

I would like you to assist me in planning or designing a contest prep cycle.

I'm finishing my 2 month (lol :blush: ) cycle of 400mg Depo p/w and 400mg Equipoise p/w very soon whereafter pct will follow.

How long after pct should I lay-off from roids, before I can tackle my next cycle? 1,5 - 2 months? If this is the case, my next cycle will most probably be my 3-month contest prep cycle.

I would like to start saving money for this cycle, and need a basic guideline of how much it will cost for the compounds + pct. I'm thinking of entering WPF Boksburg show on 23 August 2008.

Your advise will be much appreciated as always,

Thanx guys

Eish- we should hook up for lunch-this is a LOOOOOONG conversation. rule of thumb sais as long as the cycle lasts including PCT thats the time you should take of- in the real world you should prob have bloodwork done to determine that. The longer you can have off between cycles the bettr imo- when ur competing clearly thats not an option. I havnt touched anything since Sept 07 and prob wont run anything this year....just think its wise to take a break-well maybe some Oxandrolone -but thats like smarties (-, nah will be clean this year. Contest prep is tuff....everyone is differnt. Id look at compounds like Tren, Test, Winstrol, Masteron and EQ , Proviron, ECA, CLen and T3 o ja and some Nolva- that would be my pre contest stuff.......will work on a cycle when I get a gap- then we can crit it and see what we come up with.

1-6 weeks would be
Test E, Tren , EQ(PGW)
ECA and CLEN alternate
weeks 7-8
Test Prop, EQ, Winstrol, Nolva(PGW AND Nomad)
ECA and CLEN alternate

Weeks 9-12
Test Prop, EQ, Winstrol. masteron ,Proviron , nolva, T3 (PGW and Nomad)
ECA and CLEN alternate

So let the games begin- DOC ur thoughts (-,

Nyc one Mxt. With the help from you guys I WILL be able to win this year!

Last year my pre-contest prep started 15 weeks out. I still stuck to the "old school" stuff - Anapolan, Anavar, Winstrol, Depotrone, ect. No D-bol, insulin, HGH, and other "exotics" were used. What was new to my cycle, and remember the last time I competed was 13 years ago when these components were unheard of or only hardcore guys used it, was some Clenbuterol, T3 and Tren. These were "new" to me and I used these in the last 6 weeks.
I then competed and after this, was talked into competing at WPF 6 weeks later. All I did was to continue on the Tren, Clen, T3, Winstrol and Anavar for that period. So, in total, my cycle was 21 weeks. I went through my PCT for 5 weeks. I will lay off at least 20+ weeks before I will even consider to cycle again. I have found in the past that I do well on the longer 10-12 week cycles and tend to "keep" my weight gains and overall condition longer.

The photo at the botom of the site's main page - that's me the day after my first competition, weighing 111 kg's. So, I didn't do too bad without using "exotics".

This year? Well, I have learnt a lot from mistakes made last year. I would do one 10 week "bulk" cycle, consisting of Depotrone, Deca, Equi, D-bol oral and the last 6 weeks Masteron. As you see, excluding the Depotrone, the rest are compounds that I have not used in many years. How I'm going to cycle them, I have not decided yet. Pre-contest(if I bulk up enough and decide to compete) will be an affair of 13 weeks with Insulin + HGH(if I can obtain the latter...), definitely Tren and Equi, Depotrone followed by Testo-prop, Anavar, Winstrol, maybe Deca early on, depending on how I respond on my first cycle, then the usual ECA, Clen and T3.

I general, the least period "off" should be equal to the period "on". It's difficult to cycle when you are planning a couple of shows close together. What I know some guys do, is to do their normal "bulk" cycle, then to cycle down and stay on, say 400mg Testosterone of some kind and low dose equi continously, and then to cycle "up" for their shows. I do not see why you should do PCT if you are only having 6-8 week's break in between cycles. Just do the low dose Test + Equi and train your arse off!

Have not really sat down and "built" the cycle yet....
Hmn, waiting to see what you guys are going to do... ha-ha.

Hi guys,

A mate of mine suggested the following contest cycle:

Week 14 - 8 - 600mg Test Per week , 25mg Anadrol Per day , 0.5mg Arimidex EOD , T3 ,

Week 8 -3 - 300mg Tren , 300mg Masterone , 0.5mg Arimidex EOD , T3

Week 3 -2 - 300mg Tren , 300mg Masterone , 0.5mg Arimidex EOD , T3 , 40mg Kessar , 50mg Oral Stanazol

Week 2-1 - 0.5mg Arimidex Per day , 40mg Kessar , T3, 50mg Stanazol , 100mg Test prop e/d until 2 days out.

What are you thoughts on that?

Also, Will it be wiser to substitute the Stanazol with Halotestin? And if I had the bucks, add 4iu of GH?

Thanx guys and Thanx to my matey for supplying the cycle

Kraz

Doc,

You also mentioned that you don't see the point of PCT if you will have a break of 6 -8 weeks between cycles. Won't that be 2 hard on your system - not doing PCT.
What are the disadvantages of not doing pct and keep on a low test/eq cycle - sounds great but surely there must be disadvantages...

Kraz

I wouldnt run Armidex that long. I d always have a test base. Id def not stop the masteron and replace it with Winny and wouldnt run T3 that long....Im sure it will do the job- but i wouldnt do that to myself.

I would also not run the Arimidex that long - it is a VERY strong estrogen blocker and will inhibit growth - don't use it when you are trying too bulk up. I would opt to use it as 1mg pd the last 14 days.

As I said yesterday, Kessar is not needed at such high doses. Only do 40mg the last 7 days - it's amazing how hard this dosage during the last few days will make you.

If you can afford it, run the HGH from the beginning, combined with insulin and either metformin or pioglitazone for the first 6 weeks, then only HGH the last 6 weeks. Remember to stop it at least 10 days out from comp day.

I would cycle the T3 only the last 6 weeks.

I would use the Masteron for the full last 6 weeks.

Try to use the injectable Winstrol, rather than the oral. A good combination is both, but then use the oral at 0.2mg per kg body weight.

Please stay away as far as possible from Halotestan - this stuff is VERY harsh on your liver.

As MXT said, run some testosterone as a base.

Just my opinion...

Again, PCT is to counter act the role of Cortisol WHEN YOU ARE NOT USING AAS TO DO SO. It is there to "anabolic support" you in a natural way(by raising your own testosterone).
You can year round also do this by using testosterone as a base - as long as your dose is more than 60mg per week(remember I said you produce about 60mg naturally per week?).
I suggest this method ONLY when you do not have at least a break of 12 weeks between cycle, in the case where you are pressed for time between cycles for shows. Have a look and you'll see some guys pre-contest will do only one cycle per year - a cycle of 21-24 weeks!

0.5mg every other day is great if your dieting... Surely surpressing E during a diet phase is what your after?

By the looks of you avatar T3 probably wont be needed. If you did use it small dose. Doc do you have any research as to the long term effects of supplemental T3 to people with a normal functioning thyroid. Is there one? Ive know guys who stay on thyroid med 3-4 month at a time with no problem. Not saying its a good thing or suggesting some one dose it , just intrested to see what you think of this.

If your using a long acting ester for the tren and masteron stopping it 14 days out shouldnt be a problem.

2 Weeks of Halo would be good , that's my opinion though , as the liver stress on the 14 day period should be ok , using a moderate dose of 20mg -30mg.

Like to hear thoughts on all of this.

Kev, there are better pre-contest drugs than Halotestan - this stuff is a real liver killer, worse than Anapolan. I would just not use it - period. Rather up the dose on Proviron - the latter has no effect on your liver, not even at doses as high as 200mg per day!
The research I have, is based on T3 use with HGH. It shows that hypothyroidism only occured in the individuals that started off with hypothyroidism as primary cause or those that suffered from sub-clinical Hypothyroidism pre-T3 use. Almost 100% of the individuals who had normal Thyroid function prior to the usre of T3, bounced back to euthyroid conditions within 2-4 weeks post -T3. This was a definite outcome when an individual used Kelp, L-Thyrosine and guggulsterones during this stage as part of their PCT.(The latter statement I base on my own blood results of last year, but have read many anecdotal statements of such).
I personally prefer T3 above T4 - the latter has a long half life, oral bio-availibility is about 80% compared to 95% with T3. In long term, T4 has a longer suppressive phase on the thyroid when its use is stopped, than compared to T3 use.

Here's another thing to consider. T3 works only for 24 hours after it has been taken orally, T4 up to 8 days. T3 suppresses the thyriod function quicker, but shorter - thus bouncing back is quicker.
Now, when you use T4 with HGH, the conversion of T4 to T3 assists the biochemistry of HGH degradation in the liver to higher levels of IGF-1 (yuh, that stuff we want a lot of!).
It just got me thinking why not use both T4 and T3 the same time? But then again we still have the problem of the exogenous T4 suppressing our rebound..... But, a very interesting thing to know, is that Ephadrine and Methylxantines(Caffein and Co), increase the transition of T4 to T3 - hence one of the ways these drugs have a thermogenic effect. Endogenous T4 does not have the long Half life of the oral form of T4(Eltroxin).
Now, this is what I would suggest:
Use T3 at moderate doses, say 20-60mcgs per day, combine with it Kelp, l-thyrosine and guggulsterones, and cycle Ephadrine at 25mg 3 x pd and caffein 200-350mg 3 x pd - the latter two on a cycle of 2 days on and 2 days off, by doing so, you will not receptor down - regulate for Ephadrine, and you will have a better Thermogenic effect using lower doses of T3 and less thyroid axis suppression. By doing it this way, you can use your T3 much longer continuosly and the Ephadrine combination as long as 36 + weeks. Do not use higher doses of Ephadrine - it will receptor down-regulate quickly, shortening the effective period of use for this "Thyroid Hormone Cycle". You will need to check your BP regularly on Ephadrine - 75mg dosing at this regime should not give BP problems, but 150mg might...

Great reply.

Surely 2 weeks of Halo at 30mg cant be any worse than guys using anadrol for 6 weeks at a time 50 -100mg?

Doc could you drop me a mail on EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED , Id like to pick your brain

If I have enough of the grey stuff to pick...!
Ja, give me a call after 21h00 - you may get my number from admin. Hmn, got some of your Liquid Beef and Nanovapor... Let's talk.

Doctari wrote:

you may get my number from admin.

Good , I emailed it to Kevin.

Hey Kevin,,, I wouldn't use Halo either ,, this probably sounds weird,, but because of my previous liver problems I can feel liver stress pretty quickly,,,

I can take 100mg dbol or 150mg of anapolon,, without to much problem,, but just 20mg of Halo made me feel like crap,, halo is a powerlifters drug

ok i have been reading through the old posts on contest cycles etc,what do u guys think of this cycle i have put together based on what doc and MXT have suggested,its 12 weeks long and for the cycle u would need the following

50x10mg dbol tabs
1x bottle testen 300mg
1x bottle Equipoise 350mg
1x bottle Masteron 150mg
3x bottle Test prop 100mg
50x10mg winstrol tabs
30x kessar tabs
50x40mcg clen tabs
3xbottles of heat
2xboxes of proviron
1x tertroxin bottle

obviously the tertroxin would be for the more advanced users... but thats what i have come up with,Chemical G,Doc,Netro,MxT,Admin, feel free to adjust my dosages...but let me know what u guys think

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spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pPFp7HAg5IbmLTnfKVl2vJA

Love it- its simple and fuctional- Since you going the whole hogg. you didnt say if this is for contest prep or not- but you might want to consider Letro at the end instead of the Nolva-just a suggestion..... but I might need to think about that a bit more. And why not mix up the Clen and the Heat 2 weeks of one weeks 2 weeks of the other as well as Ketitofen- run that for a week lets say every 2 weeks just to keep the reciptors pumping- even eca causes a reciptor downgrade granted it takes 4 times longer than Clen, but you want to everything from the cycle. I would also invest in another bottle of t3 - I only REALY see it working on about 60mcg a day u can run it for atleast 5 weeks of the cycle and do ramp it up and down. Ad some L tyrosine and Kelp to the cycle as well as Taurine 1-2 grams a day to help with the cardiovascilar effects of the Clen and to a leser rextent the ECA.

yea it would be for contest prep MXT...i dunno,i know that u do get receptor downgrade with eca,but i have also heard that ephadrine is like a slegde hammer that hits all the receptors,so u still gonna get downgrade on those beta-2 receptors surely that the clen will be looking to use?and also how would u find dieting with ketofin coz damn that shit make u hungry....BUT i find that clen does fuck all for appetite control and i honestly dont feel like adding duromine into the cycle as an appetite suppressant so i thought run the eca long and hard,and as we all know that heat is the bomb diggity.....u recon run the t3 the same length as the masteron?but then wouldnt u need more anabolic support for the amount of t3? what do u think of swapping the oral winny for the injectable version at 50mg per day for the last 20days? would u add in an oral like anavar/t-bol for the last 4weeks? would follow doc's pct protocol for the pct...i know that there are couple guys that are looking to compete this year and have been looking for a decent cycle to follow hence the looking up on old posts to see what can be drawn up...

would also think to run solal's thyroid support and kelp tabs through out the cycle...

spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pPFp7HAg5IbmLTnfKVl2vJA how about that?

Honestly real world I prefer the injectable- on paper Oral and Injectable winnya re the same. The reason i suggested the Clen and ECA mix is that by hook or crook they work on the same reciptors to an extent and I rather run the eca in my last 2 weeks as it does bring ur watter retention down more than the clen. Its just my opinion but if I had to choose between Heat and Clen last 2 weeks pre contest HEat would win hands down everytime. Have the Ketitofen before bed- u wont get huingry and it will help you sleep as well, which is difficult at best when ur on low carbs and anabolics. 60mcg of T3 isnt a lot at all- when ur running double that then u will have issues for sure. And ur running alomost a gram of gear. Remmebr for a competiton condition is one of the main judgeing pionts. A lean smaller guy will always beat a bigger bloated guy. its the ballnace of the 2 where the magic lies. Make sure yoiu wright down everything you take and eat. This is a learning school always- you might hit a magic combo from word go- but this might also work out not so hot and then you need to learn from it. Especialy carbing up and water dropping.

now when it comes to water dropping and diuretic use etc how would you suggest doing it?carbing up is apparently a game of chance...but i think mario van biljon gave a good explination on how to do it in the muscle evolution...