first cycle anavar; proviron , suggestions?

Hi,So i am going to star my first cycle . Oxa with Proviron ( the same from articles )
i am 21
187cm
95kg
14 bf
not want to be presumed,, but with a very good genetic , i am a bid natural but want to cut down some bf and dont waste to much muscle in the process. i am in the right place?

For the PCT i have nolvadex , Proviron , animal stack or tribulus ( I dont have clomid )

suggestions ?

is there a reason you would not add test prop?

"Ehhh but I am scared of needles" hahahah. Don't be a pansy. 500mg test c weekly for 12 weeks with some anavar and maybe winni at the end. If you want to do a short cycle pin 75mg test prop eod for 8 weeks,maybe add some winni too. Won't reccomend this as its your first. Stick to the first one I mentioned. With some aromasin to eliminate water

he is an MMA fighter looking to cut a little fat.. Therefore he is probably in a weight category that he does not want to bust out of by taking a bulking cycle.

What about halotestin with prop? Just a thought

3 reason really , i have bad bad acne back when i was a kid . So i wanna try with something ´´soft´´to try it out , if it works nice .

another reason its that i run some lab test, blood etc ( i study medicine ) and i have more receptorS that ´´normal´´ people , very hi testosterone and almost anithing of estrogen . Genetics ...
Some Dr say to me that a ´´soft´´ anabolic steroid on me will be like putting the strongest in other people ( because the freaking number of receptor in my body )
so i am afraid on doing something else , test
'' my balls are like two baseball balls they are freaky huge LOL

the othe reason is that i am not a bodybuilder , my cardio conditioning is very important and i dont want to be bigger i dont want more muscle mass because that will affect on others spots.

i read that anavar can increase red blood cell , true? I have my doubts.

thanks for the help bro !

thats right bro ! i fight in middleweight if i go up to heavyweight this guys will kill me bro jajaja ( i have a pro fight in 2 months )

Halotestin gives amazing strength and prop will also increase red bloodcell count

what is the weight class you fight in? in kg? what dosages are you planning to run?

fight in middleweight 84.9kg
i plan to start 60mg and increase to 80mg ed oxandrolone( if needed) and 50mg Proviron

the oxa is ´´Oxadrin´´ from the hospital i work . 100pure no under labs . Real stuff .

Thanks to all for the help !!

Suggestions??

doesnt dropping all that weight make you weaker? cant you just not fight in a heavier class? I think youll need to ask DJ about dropping that weight prior to the fight...

I can see you dropping some fat but not too much...

how much time do you have between the weigh-in and the fight?

oh, and I dont know how much running you do, but anavar is going to give you bad shinsplits...

Is your pro fight going to be drug tested? I ask, because anavar only takes a while to kick in and is detecable in your system for about 3 weeks and proviron for 5-6 weeks...

I can see you dropping to about 9% bodyfat in that time and the rest would have to come from getting rid of all your fluids proir to weigh in and then rehydrating yourself in time.

If his strenght is influenced he can add some halotestin at the end. Think his strength will probably go down not because of the compounds but rather the reduced calories he is on. Or am I wrong? Anyway enjoy your cycle bud, hope you get what you want out of it.

I dont see anything wrong with just running anavar and proviron. The 8 week cycle i did beginning of the year was some of the best visual results i have seen. Visually the results was on par with the test prop/NPP/masteron cycle i did before (if not better) but strength wise the prop/NPP/masteron cycle was king dingeling

hey TB, i have done both MMA and powerlifting and in both sports the one thing i noticed with the competitive guys is that they always train 5-10kgs heavier than their competing weight (more powerlifting than the MMA, but it was still present in MMA), then before comps they drop it all fast and apparently reatain (im quoting, not my thoughts) "the strength of the heavier weight catagory." I guess it comes down to timing though because they usually drop the weight kak fast..

Heavymma, sorry not gonna read every post again, what is the time frame you have for dropping all the weight?

And you shouldn't use proviron for pct

SLEON wrote: And you shouldn't use proviron for pct

Why can't he use 25mg proviron ed during pct? It shouldn't affect his natural test levels

As far as i know proviron can still cause shutdown , and doing a pct you are trying to achieve the complete opposite ( correct me if i am wrong )

Don't think 25mg will cause shutdown bro. Maybe jack or dj can answer this for us? I've ran proviron while busy with pct

Quote from the articles section " Low dosages of 20 to 25mg can thus be used during PCT without affecting your PCT in any negative way"

It comes down to doing whatever you are doing as optimally as possible. so why would you want to have proviron in your pct if there is a chance of it rendering the entire pct innefective?

Thunderbeast wrote: It comes down to doing whatever you are doing as optimally as possible. so why would you want to have proviron in your pct if there is a chance of it rendering the entire pct innefective?

Losing as little as possible muscle mass... It worked for me,as far as I know doctari wrote the articles, the guy is an expert. If he says it doesn't then I believe it doesn't. I see your point tho,but I don't think it affects your pct

jakes wrote: Don't think 25mg will cause shutdown bro. Maybe jack or dj can answer this for us? I've ran proviron while busy with pct

Proviron is a DHT steroid and there is a chance that it could cause HPTA shutdown. Obviously it will be to a much lesser degree than heavier aromatizing steroids but why even consider running it during PCT when there is no need to. Any estrogen rebound can be combatted by Nolva & Clomid in a level 1 PCT after the cycle. I can also say with almost complete certainty that doctari will be against running proviron in any kind of PCT.

@heavymma: I have just started anavar in my cycle and I have never experienced muscle pumps like this before. I was training chest yesterday and my forearms felt like they were going to explode after my 1st set. I had to rest for like 10min for the pain to go away. Same thing happened this morning during a spinning class, my quad got so pumped that I had to stop. Just thought I would let you know what you could be in for, not everyone gets it this bad i'm sure. The strength increase on Var is incredible though, and thats just after a week at 60mg/day.