Oh no, not another "1st Cycle advice" thread!

Hi guys, I've been lurking for a while now trying to soak up all the info in order to prepare for my first cycle.

Just when I think I have an idea on what I want to do, I read something else and now find myself getting confused in terms of what I want to or should be taking.

I like the idea of going with the "tried and tested" beginner bulking cycle but I also like what I've read about Anavar.

Some members here have posted about benefits of running shorter cycles (6 - 8 weeks) which I am also partial to. The Anavar and Proviron sample cycle seems to fit in with what I am looking for, however I keep on reading that the basis of a good cycle should always include test and should not be orals only.

I would really appreciate some advice.

Before anyone asks, I am in my 30's, have been training consistently for 2 years straight (have lifted for similar periods in my early 20's too). Diet is ok but will be sharpened up prior to the course. Bodyfat in high teens at the moment but currently shedding some of it.

Looking to gain lean mass.

Safehouse wrote: Hi guys, I've been lurking for a while now trying to soak up all the info in order to prepare for my first cycle.

Just when I think I have an idea on what I want to do, I read something else and now find myself getting confused in terms of what I want to or should be taking.

I like the idea of going with the "tried and tested" beginner bulking cycle but I also like what I've read about Anavar.

Some members here have posted about benefits of running shorter cycles (6 - 8 weeks) which I am also partial to. The Anavar and Proviron sample cycle seems to fit in with what I am looking for, however I keep on reading that the basis of a good cycle should always include test and should not be orals only.

I would really appreciate some advice.

Before anyone asks, I am in my 30's, have been training consistently for 2 years straight (have lifted for similar periods in my early 20's too). Diet is ok but will be sharpened up prior to the course. Bodyfat in high teens at the moment but currently shedding some of it.

Looking to gain lean mass.

Let me give some good advice for a change.

Bud the bulking cycle will give you better results. If you want to run it, add test prop, its a nice and fast ester. You can run it for 8 weeks. Frequent injections are required tho (eod) so I wouldn't recommend this. Rather run the cycle with 500mg test weekly frontloaded with dbol and keep some letro on and if estrogenic side effects start to show. Shouldn't be needed tho but rather save than sorry. Diet is key and your first cycle will most probably be best so if you can afford it, get dj to set you up with a quality diet.

You can run the anavar and proviron option too.. Really is up to you bud

refreshing post jakes

CHAPEL wrote: refreshing post jakes

Lol, not all bad bro... Won't give shit advice to a first time user

Thanks jakes, to clarify, you're saying I should use test prop instead of cyp, 500mg per week?

Will strongly consider a dj diet depending on cost.

what he is saying is that with the var and prov cycle it would be ideal to add in prop as a base.. that would be run at roughly 100mg eod..

Just stick to the 500mg test cyp for 10 weeks loaded with dbol, maybe bridge with winny at the end then nolva clomid and hcg to finish up.. don't forget the letro. Boom, good to go.

Safehouse wrote: Thanks jakes, to clarify, you're saying I should use test prop instead of cyp, 500mg per week?

Will strongly consider a dj diet depending on cost.

No bro, you got me wrong. If you want to run prop, run it at 75mg eod or so. With anavar and proviron.
Rather inject test cyp or test enanthant. 500mg weekly, for 12 weeks. Frontload with 30mg dianabol ed for the first 4 weeks. Much better if you want to bulk. And please do a proper pct. If you are unsure about when to start pct just ask. Willing to help. At the start its a lot of info to take in

Ok, got it, thanks.

Will definitely follow proper protocol with PCT - it's the one thing that comes through loud and clear on this forum so I won't underestimate the importance of it.

I would suggest you 1st train a couple of months more and get familiar with a routine that suits you. In this time get your diet in check and drop that bf to around 12%. Then go on a simple 12 week cycle like the guys mentioned. If you start your cycle with a high bf then i promise you will get "fatter" (more bulky) and im sure that is not what you have in mind.

You are deciding to put your body at a potential risk injecting hormones so its better doing it right bud

Yup no point in spending money on juice and food not to mention all those hours in the gym just to lose your gains. You are going to enjoy it very much bud

ABC01 wrote: I would suggest you 1st train a couple of months more and get familiar with a routine that suits you. In this time get your diet in check and drop that bf to around 12%. Then go on a simple 12 week cycle like the guys mentioned. If you start your cycle with a high bf then i promise you will get "fatter" (more bulky) and im sure that is not what you have in mind.

You are deciding to put your body at a potential risk injecting hormones so its better doing it right bud

Fully agree with you, perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my original post. I will only begin my cycle once my bf has dropped to low teens. I like planning ahead and it gives me something to work towards.

I usually switch my training routine every 8 - 12 weeks in any event, and have a good idea of what I will follow when on the gear.

Safehouse rather do the testcyp cycle, im running it now in my second week so i cant tell you about gains yet but im pinning 1ml(250mg) every 5 days and have almost no pain except for a bit of stiffness in the muscle.

Safehouse wrote:

ABC01 wrote: I would suggest you 1st train a couple of months more and get familiar with a routine that suits you. In this time get your diet in check and drop that bf to around 12%. Then go on a simple 12 week cycle like the guys mentioned. If you start your cycle with a high bf then i promise you will get "fatter" (more bulky) and im sure that is not what you have in mind.

You are deciding to put your body at a potential risk injecting hormones so its better doing it right bud

Fully agree with you, perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my original post. I will only begin my cycle once my bf has dropped to low teens. I like planning ahead and it gives me something to work towards.

I usually switch my training routine every 8 - 12 weeks in any event, and have a good idea of what I will follow when on the gear.

Great bud! Then you have been reading allot. Looks like you have the correct gameplan and with that comes great results.

Happy training!

I still have the before and after pics of my first cycle. Maybe ill post them up later. Didn't gain much weight but some serious size. Arms went from 43 to 46.5, legs from 62 to 67. Some nice strength gains too, especially on the bench and my squats. Lol I was gyming at a small gym at the time. My legpress went up to 420kg which for me was great. As I said, not much weight gain, kept 9kg after pct. Some of these oaks keep 13. Anyway, was nice. Keep us updated kyle

jakes wrote: I still have the before and after pics of my first cycle. Maybe ill post them up later. Didn't gain much weight but some serious size. Arms went from 43 to 46.5, legs from 62 to 67. Some nice strength gains too, especially on the bench and my squats. Lol I was gyming at a small gym at the time. My legpress went up to 420kg which for me was great. As I said, not much weight gain, kept 9kg after pct. Some of these oaks keep 13. Anyway, was nice. Keep us updated kyle

for a 21yr old you have seriously big arms bro lol

ya, upload these, pictures keen to see (no homo)

They are 50.5 now bro. But at 12.5 % bodyfat. My best bodypart. My calve just have to catch the hell up. They grow slow! But gaining some nice size now since I started training them properly.

CHAPEL wrote: ya, upload these, pictures keen to see (no homo)

How do I upload them via blackberry?

not sure, we normally use www.tinypic.com

Will try when I am bored at work tomorrow. If I don't manage to get it right ill upload to photobucket and paste the links

Right, so I've decided on the Dianabol & Testocyp cycle, but would like to add proviron into the mix. When in the cycle should I do this, and at what dosages?

Another question, this time regarding PCT. What would the benefits be of choosing Doctari's PCT over the listed PCT for this cycle (No.2 PCT protocol?). Is Ovidrel REALLY that much better than LP HCG?

Safehouse wrote: Right, so I've decided on the Dianabol & Testocyp cycle, but would like to add proviron into the mix. When in the cycle should I do this, and at what dosages?

Another question, this time regarding PCT. What would the benefits be of choosing Doctari's PCT over the listed PCT for this cycle (No.2 PCT protocol?). Is Ovidrel REALLY that much better than LP HCG?

From the start at 50 or 60mg ed or so would be good. As for your question regarding pct, none really. Number two is cheaper and is more than enough for the compounds you'll be running

jakes wrote:

Safehouse wrote: Right, so I've decided on the Dianabol & Testocyp cycle, but would like to add proviron into the mix. When in the cycle should I do this, and at what dosages?

Another question, this time regarding PCT. What would the benefits be of choosing Doctari's PCT over the listed PCT for this cycle (No.2 PCT protocol?). Is Ovidrel REALLY that much better than LP HCG?

From the start at 50 or 60mg ed or so would be good. As for your question regarding pct, none really. Number two is cheaper and is more than enough for the compounds you'll be running

So proviron from day one until day 80? Last pin is day 77.

Yup. Keep taking the proviron until let's say 3days before pct tho. Its a nice addition to the cycle. If there is anything els you are unsure about just ask bud

jakes wrote: Yup. Keep taking the proviron until let's say 3days before pct tho. Its a nice addition to the cycle. If there is anything els you are unsure about just ask bud

Thanks for the advice.