Beginners Lean Mass Cycle Questions !

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08 Dec 2011 11:56 #85147 by Koularas
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iMAn, the problem is i dont know where or how to start the workout plan, the training plan i've got not so good with diet planing....

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08 Dec 2011 12:12 #85151 by iMan
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Koularas wrote: iMAn, the problem is i dont know where or how to start the workout plan, the training plan i've got not so good with diet planing....


Have you read the dieting forums yet? It's very simple and straight forward.

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08 Dec 2011 14:13 - 08 Dec 2011 15:01 #85156 by iMan
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meal 1
Protein and Carbs
Oats + Egg whites

meal 2
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts + Veg

meal 3
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts

meal 4
Protein and Carbs
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Brown Rice + veg

meal 5
Protein and Carbs
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Carb (Simple or Complext depending when trained)

meal 6
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts + Veg

PreW = Oats + Raisins
PostW = Whey + Simple Carb (Dextrose, fruit, something sugary)

Difficult to say when to eat what for you. I don't know what time you train. Keep your carbs at Morning, Before gym and After gym and bring extra in say every 3-4 day's to boost leptin levels (metabolism)


To calculate your total calories

Step 1 : 66 + (13.7 x weight in Kg) + (5 x height in cm) - (6.8 x age in years) = BMR
Step 2 : BMR X 1.55 = Total Calories Usage
Step 3 :Implement 40/40/20 ratio as VonD said

1 g carbs = 4 kcals
1 g protein = 4 kcals
1 g fat = 9 kcals

I can not make it more simple than this
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08 Dec 2011 15:23 #85160 by 00pump
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iMan thanks for that, here comes an airplane open wide Koularas...

"Whether You Think You Can or Can't, You're Right"--Henry Ford
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08 Dec 2011 15:47 #85161 by VonD
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iMan wrote: meal 1
Protein and Carbs
Oats + Egg whites

meal 2
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts + Veg

meal 3
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts

meal 4
Protein and Carbs
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Brown Rice + veg

meal 5
Protein and Carbs
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Carb (Simple or Complext depending when trained)

meal 6
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts + Veg

PreW = Oats + Raisins
PostW = Whey + Simple Carb (Dextrose, fruit, something sugary)

Difficult to say when to eat what for you. I don't know what time you train. Keep your carbs at Morning, Before gym and After gym and bring extra in say every 3-4 day's to boost leptin levels (metabolism)


To calculate your total calories

Step 1 : 66 + (13.7 x weight in Kg) + (5 x height in cm) - (6.8 x age in years) = BMR
Step 2 : BMR X 1.55 = Total Calories Usage
Step 3 :Implement 40/40/20 ratio as VonD said

1 g carbs = 4 kcals
1 g protein = 4 kcals
1 g fat = 9 kcals

I can not make it more simple than this


talk about getting fed with a golden spoon.

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08 Dec 2011 16:27 - 08 Dec 2011 17:02 #85165 by iMan
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00pump wrote: iMan thanks for that, here comes an airplane open wide Koularas...


haha I actually wanted to say that at the end of the post.
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08 Dec 2011 19:49 #85172 by Koularas
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iMan wrote:

00pump wrote: iMan thanks for that, here comes an airplane open wide Koularas...


haha I actually wanted to say that at the end of the post.


Wow u guys are freaking awesome. iMan thanks alot

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11 Dec 2011 21:45 #85250 by Koularas
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meal 1 Breakfast
Protein and Carbs
Oats + Egg whites

meal 2 Breakfast 2
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts + Veg

meal 3 Lunch
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Nuts

meal 4 Lunch 2
Protein and Carbs
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Brown Rice + veg

meal 5 PreWorkout
Protein and Carbs
Chicken/Fish/Steak + Carb = Oats + Raisins (Simple or Complext depending when trained)

meal 6 PostWorkout
Protein and Fats
Chicken/Fish/Steak + whey + Simple Carbs = Nuts + Veg (fruit or Dextrose)

is this correct if i train at 4-6 ?

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11 Dec 2011 22:02 #85252 by VonD
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and the amounts of each????
Pre and post workout meals are usually not meals on their own.
pre-just carbs usually
post-whey + dextrose
then after about an hour a meal would be consumed.
you need another meal after your post workout meal.

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11 Dec 2011 22:13 #85253 by Koularas
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have not worked out the amounts of each yet,
so meal 5 i should leave the protein and just carbs ? (dont need whey before the workout ?)
meal 6 is correct but eat another meal after that one. meal 7 (protein + fats)
my calories intake must be 2100 and on workout day 3255.

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11 Dec 2011 22:32 #85254 by VonD
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your calories intake seems too high.
meal 5-oats+raisins(pre)
meal 6-whey + dextrose(post)
meal 7-chicken/fish/meat + veg
meal 8-whey + peanut butter

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11 Dec 2011 22:38 #85255 by Koularas
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thats alot of meals a day !!
worked out according to the formula that dj posted on the forms.

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11 Dec 2011 22:44 - 11 Dec 2011 22:46 #85256 by iMan
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What's your stats (Age,height, bf and weight) Do you train 2h a day?
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11 Dec 2011 22:51 #85257 by Koularas
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A 21
H 169
BF 15kg or 27.6%
W 85kg
yes more or less 2 if i do cardio as well

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11 Dec 2011 22:55 - 11 Dec 2011 23:01 #85258 by iMan
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Koularas wrote: A 21
H 169
BF 15kg or 27.6%
W 85kg
yes more or less 2 if i do cardio as well



Bf is 17.6% not 27.6%. Also try exercising between 40-60 mins, You can add in a 20min cardio session after weights. So that makes total time say +- 90mis max.
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11 Dec 2011 22:57 #85259 by Koularas
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oh didnt see. sorry

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11 Dec 2011 22:57 - 11 Dec 2011 23:02 #85260 by VonD
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You need to eat 2995 calories to maintain your weight.
so you need to consume 15-20% less to cut.
2396-2545 a day.

2545-ratio 40/40/20

254g-protein
254g-carbs
56g-fats

get some clen and heat to cycle to help your cutting along.
describe your cardio
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11 Dec 2011 23:03 #85261 by Koularas
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30-45min runing 15-30min abs

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11 Dec 2011 23:07 #85262 by VonD
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just be careful not to train too long.

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11 Dec 2011 23:13 #85263 by Koularas
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Amount Item Protein Carbs Fats Calories
3/4 Cup Cold cereal, 3.07 23.00 1.00 113.00
1 cup Low-Fat Milk, 1% 8.22 12.18 2.37 102.00
1 tbps Cream, 0.44 0.65 1.73 19.55
340g Coffee-w/caffeine 0.40 1.40 0.00 8.00
1 each Banana-medium 8 inch 1.20 26.70 0.60 105.00

Total: 43.35 40.80 4.82 347.55
is this how i should add the amount of calories of everything ?

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11 Dec 2011 23:19 #85264 by VonD
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yes but cut diary,fruit and coffee from your diet.

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11 Dec 2011 23:23 #85265 by Koularas
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one last question, day 1-5 can i eat the same as day 1 the whole weak or should i change the food for everyday ?

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11 Dec 2011 23:27 #85266 by VonD
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You can swop food as long as as they have the same values.

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