what do you think ?

hey guys
1-12 weeks test e (2ml)
1-5 test prop 100mg eod
5-8 dbol 40mg (jackrabbit idea just not napps :woohoo: )
11-13 prop 100mg eod
13-16 winny 40mg bridge to pct
17 clomid
18 nolva
running clen (with betasleep) and letro through out
yohimbine 10 with the winny in 13to 16 weeks
want to add hcg just not sure where would be the best?? and a dj diet .
so what you guys think :silly:

Too complicated.

Its not well thought out honestly. You want to do a few things that are useless. Your missing the whole point of jacks idea also and you bridging with orals makes it even more complicated. The whole idea of adding in the orals later (jacks idea) is to push for a little more gains as they start to slow down at the 10 or 12 week mark... Not randomly just add them half way in.

its wasn't randomly it was because your test kicks in so by adding the dbols get the most out of those four crucial weeks

No... Bud gains with dbol are mostly water, jack's idea was to add an oral later in the cycle as to get the most out of it. At week 5 or whatever gains are still great - you can rather add 300mg or so more test than the dbol idea...

Here's what I'd do:
1-4:40md dbol ed
1-12:900mg test e
10-14:150mg prop eod
13-16:50mg winni ed

Its still your cycle, do what you want to that's just my 2c

yeah shot dude but think iam going to scrap the dbols i dont really want water and acne .but rather use prop as a kickstart for 5 weeks and your cycle. and fatbuners . thanks man !

Is this your first cycle?

Or you can kickstart it with 6weeks tbol or sdrol if you don't like water bud. Its a pleasure enjoy it and good luck

no man ive done dbol at 120 mg a day for 17 weeks and real strong milk thistle for my pct no bitch tits or acne then i went in the steam room , and lost 15kg lol haha na dude just playing 2 before but not that good diet ect, but this one gana be a good

Eish! i have ideas?
I probably only threw my experience with Anapalon out there which happened to be at the end of a cycle as Jakes mentioned.
I like the idea of using Anapalon while the test is in full swing in stead of a frontload. The last couple of weeks of the cycle just seems like the logical spot - once again like Jakes said - as gains slow down.

Id rather add some Prop to the front to get the straight test levels up.

Jakes cycle looks like a good one. If you are a beginner you need to tone it down drastically.

big jay wrote: hey guys
1-12 weeks test e (2ml)
1-5 test prop 100mg eod
5-8 dbol 40mg (jackrabbit idea just not napps :woohoo: )
11-13 prop 100mg eod
13-16 winny 40mg bridge to pct
17 clomid
18 nolva
running clen (with betasleep) and letro through out
yohimbine 10 with the winny in 13to 16 weeks
want to add hcg just not sure where would be the best?? and a dj diet .
so what you guys think :silly:

Looks fine to me, add HCG at week 18 at 500iu EOD, I would also add proviron 60mg/day weeks 12-16 and winny 12-16 at 50mg/day.

jakes wrote: No... Bud gains with dbol are mostly water, jack's idea was to add an oral later in the cycle as to get the most out of it. At week 5 or whatever gains are still great - you can rather add 300mg or so more test than the dbol idea...

Here's what I'd do:
1-4:40md dbol ed
1-12:900mg test e
10-14:150mg prop eod
13-16:50mg winni ed

Its still your cycle, do what you want to that's just my 2c

I thnk jakes gave some solid advice here. your idea of running the prop first is also not a bad one. probably the more leaner gain if you ask me.

ja its good soild cycle no question about that, but dbol is fantastic product , but u not going to gain anything with it but water and ego , but rather with prop u will add some lean weight and knowing you going to keep it in the long run, because this bulking its really hard to get back in condition and look way better with lower bodyfat and being able to see thoses lean gains ,so hoping to add 10kg and drop 6 % bodyfat

ok hold up, what products do u have on hand,how many bottles of each and then we can go from there.

big jay wrote: ja its good soild cycle no question about that, but dbol is fantastic product , but u not going to gain anything with it but water and ego , but rather with prop u will add some lean weight and knowing you going to keep it in the long run, because this bulking its really hard to get back in condition and look way better with lower bodyfat and being able to see thoses lean gains ,so hoping to add 10kg and drop 6 % bodyfat

Ha ha. Bit enthusiastic? Let's say you weigh 100kg. That means you want to drop 6kg or so in fat and gain 10 more in muscle. That's aiming a bit high for 1 cycle.

I'd bulk hard for 10 weeks then add the clen and yohimbine and cut until pct

well all will be pgw and lp
just got the winny at the moment just buying products each month so buy march or so ill have everything so its not a huge some off money at once .
3 test e
3 prop
2 winny
2clen
1 hcl 10
letro
2 hcg
and then pct

ok here is what i would suggest :
week 1-3
300mg of prop a week(1ml 3x a week)
750mg of testen a week (2.5mls a week)
week 4-10
750mg testen a week
week 10-12
750mg testen a week
300mg prop a week
80mcg of clen(with betasleep)
week 13-14-15-16
300mg prop a week
40mg winny daily
20mg of yohimbine hcl daily
120mcg clen daily(with beta sleep)
week17-18
120mcg clen daily(with betasleep
20mg of yohimbine hcl daily
500iu HCG EOD.
week 19
50mg clomid 2x a day
week 20,21,22
20mg kessar
500iu HCG eod.

DJ wrote: ok here is what i would suggest :
week 1-3
300mg of prop a week(1ml 3x a week)
750mg of testen a week (2.5mls a week)
week 4-10
750mg testen a week
week 10-12
750mg testen a week
300mg prop a week
80mcg of clen(with betasleep)
week 13-14-15-16
300mg prop a week
40mg winny daily
20mg of yohimbine hcl daily
120mcg clen daily(with beta sleep)
week17-18
120mcg clen daily(with betasleep
20mg of yohimbine hcl daily
500iu HCG EOD.
week 19
50mg clomid 2x a day
week 20,21,22
20mg kessar
500iu HCG eod.

Hi DJ, question.

Why take out the prop in week 1-3 , and only introduce it back again in week 10-16?

Instead of front loading an oral yes a short ester test.