help tweak my cycle

Hi am planning on doing this cycle from the first week of march

Week 1-4 Dbol 30mg ed adding 10mg p/w {front load}
Week 1-4 Prop 100ml eod {300ml p/w}
Week 3-12 Test Cyp 500mg p/w
Week 10-14 winny 60mg ed dropping 10mg p/w
pct
Week 17. Clomid 50 @ 100mg per day.
Week 18 - 22. Nolvadex 20 @ 20mg per day

Question can I run winny up till week 16 or is 4 weeks enough and can I add equi if so how much but I don’t want to use too many compounds as this will b my first real cycle, will b using milk thistle daily( herb) for liver protection, my budget is kind of tight so which AI will work best for this cycle

Stats:
age 29 turning 30 in june
height : 1;56
weight: 85
bf: 12%

target 10-15kg bf 10-13% is this achievable, will be reducing cardio from 20 min mon-fri to 60 min wed only,

training split
mon- chest,tri, forearms
tues- back, bi, abs
thurs- shoulders, calves
fri- quads,hams,abs
sat- tri,bi

Throw in hCG into your pct

The point of frontloading is to kickstart your cycle before the long ester kicks in, if you only start pinning the cyp at 3 weeks you'll have 3 weeks (5-7) of nothing so what's the point of front loading? Rather pin the cyp from week 1 and drop the prop as you're already using dbol which is a better and cheaper frontloader for a bulk cycle

As for the winny start it at week 13 and run it till pct

Equi's out of the question for a 1st cycle and milk thistle on cycle will hinder your gains, essentiale is better (I think?)

Deadgoat wrote: The point of frontloading is to kickstart your cycle before the long ester kicks in, if you only start pinning the cyp at 3 weeks you'll have 3 weeks (5-7) of nothing so what's the point of front loading? Rather pin the cyp from week 1 and drop the prop as you're already using dbol which is a better and cheaper frontloader for a bulk cycle

As for the winny start it at week 13 and run it till pct

Equi's out of the question for a 1st cycle and milk thistle on cycle will hinder your gains, essentiale is better (I think?)

Why would Milk Thistle hinder gains?

AAS wrote:

Deadgoat wrote: The point of frontloading is to kickstart your cycle before the long ester kicks in, if you only start pinning the cyp at 3 weeks you'll have 3 weeks (5-7) of nothing so what's the point of front loading? Rather pin the cyp from week 1 and drop the prop as you're already using dbol which is a better and cheaper frontloader for a bulk cycle

As for the winny start it at week 13 and run it till pct

Equi's out of the question for a 1st cycle and milk thistle on cycle will hinder your gains, essentiale is better (I think?)

Why would Milk Thistle hinder gains?

it blocks androgen receptors.

Don't know the exact science behind it but quite a few members say that it hinders gains on cycle so treating it as fact until someone debunks it...

So what should I not use Milk Thistle when I go on cycle? Should an alternative be used or nothing for liver protection?

Use milk thistle before the cycle and essentiale on cycle

How long before the cycle should I use milk thistle? Does dandelion help?

2 weeks for the MT and isn't dandelion a natural diuretic, why would you use it?

Deadgoat wrote: 2 weeks for the MT and isn't dandelion a natural diuretic, why would you use it?

It comes in a lot of the milk thistles for some reason, well at least the cheaper ones

dandelion is also used to help cleanse the liver and kidneys.

Should start the Test Cyp from day 1 as Deadgoat says, in fact his advice is spot on right through. I agree with him on the EQ, save that for your next cycle. Also relook at your PCT try add Ovidrel or Hcg in there.

Dbol, Winny and PCT is going to punish your liver, I see the points about milk thistle. If you have the cash take a supplement called SAMe (available from most pharmacies), it was highly recommended to me and I had no problems.

is SAMe available over the counter?

Michael wrote: is SAMe available over the counter?

It's on the shelves - vitamin section. Made by Solal. You can order from their website too.

Would it be a good idea for me to use milk thistle with dandelion pre and post cycle with nothing during my cycle?

If you can afford it use the SAMe. It doesn't have milk thistle or dandelion, it has a compound that protects the liver and in some cases they say can reverse damage. I'm not sure about that but thats their claim. Its expensive at around R385 a months supply but you only have one liver hey.
I hear the benefits of milk thistle are marginal, again just chat, no facts.
I wouldn't cycle orals with no supplement though.

Thanx for advice guys, can i use both MT and SAMe ? like u say i only have 1 liver, will get ovidrel/HCG a.s.a.p depending on price, will sell the prop and get more cyp and add more winny, much respect to all