Serious first cycle

Hi guys hope all is well on your ends.

I have a friend he is 20 this year.He wants to compete next year in his first show.The cycle that he has came from a guy that has good knowledge with ties to some big neames in SA BB.the guys diet is spot on he has been training for 4 years.

age-20
weight-84
bf%11-12 (different measurements)
Height 1.78m

Week 1-10
Test cyp @ 500mg
frontload with dbol 20days @50mg

Week 11-18
Cruise on 150mg test e
winstrol @40-50mg from week 14-18
Clenbuterol to cut back on the fat he has gained.

Week 19-28
test e @ 900mg

Followed by a bridge with winstrol @ 50mg a day

Pct
Clomid
Nolvadex
Hcg

He has letro as well as adex on hand.

Please comment and state what you think.

VonD wrote: Hi guys hope all is well on your ends.

I have a friend he is 20 this year.He wants to compete next year in his first show.The cycle that he has came from a guy that has good knowledge with ties to some big neames in SA BB.the guys diet is spot on he has been training for 4 years.

age-20
weight-84
bf%11-12 (different measurements)
Height 1.78m

Week 1-10
Test cyp @ 500mg
frontload with dbol 20days @50mg

Week 11-18
Cruise on 150mg test e
winstrol @40-50mg from week 14-18
Clenbuterol to cut back on the fat he has gained.

Week 19-28
test e @ 900mg

Followed by a bridge with winstrol @ 50mg a day

Pct
Clomid
Nolvadex
Hcg

He has letro as well as adex on hand.

Please comment and state what you think.

Any reason why he is not starting with test prop rather?
i dont understand the logic of cruising on 150mg test e?
clen to cut back on the fat he has gained...what fat will he be gaining? unless he is upping his calories majour?

Monster cycle, I can see the logic behind it. Should yield nice gains

I see Jakes has been hard at work away from the forum

Drop the test e in the "cruise", won't make too many, if any gains, from that dose after being on 500mg. Winstrol is anabolic enough for him not to worry about losing gains in that 8 weeks

Still not happy with this cycle, he should push his plans back a year or should've started on a normal cycle last year. Being on cycle for more than 6 months without any prior cycle experience is quite dumb as your body won't be used to being under such strain for such a long period of time and who knows how it'll react

i wouldnt switch from test cyp to test enanthate personally.

Deadgoat wrote: I see Jakes has been hard at work away from the forum

Drop the test e in the "cruise", won't make too many, if any gains, from that dose after being on 500mg. Winstrol is anabolic enough for him not to worry about losing gains in that 8 weeks

Still not happy with this cycle, he should push his plans back a year or should've started on a normal cycle last year. Being on cycle for more than 6 months without any prior cycle experience is quite dumb as your body won't be used to being under such strain for such a long period of time and who knows how it'll react

Lol

The idea of the cruise is to keep him anabolic.he opted for the dbol for the frontload as the water would help with strength.he is serious about competing thats why he wants to do this cycle i am just the middle man.

Etwa the idea here is to bulk-cut down-a massive bulk.the middle part is too keep the bf in check so that he can get max size out of it.

DJ wrote: i wouldnt switch from test cyp to test enanthate personally.

Dj can you explain why?

Enanthant has a shorter half life which would make the hormone levels go down quicker during the "cruise"? Maybe that will cause the 2nd bulking gain to yield better results when he gets the massive hormonal spike again.

To make the cycle more serious he should pull a frown whenever he exhales during a set. Then his serious cycle will become super serious.

This whole cruising/staying anabolic thing is getting out of hand, after your last test shot you aren't suddenly going to lose gains as your test levels will still be very high for the best part of 5 weeks so he's only really have to worry about 3 weeks of having low T levels. Is running a low dose of test really worth shutting down your HPTA axis further for something a bit of winny and var can take care of?

why swop compounds, if u are bulking with 500mg of test cyp,just drop it down to 125mcg of cyp. i dont see the point in changing for cyp to enanthate,just use the same ester through out.

@dryden this guy trains hard never misses a day.there is nothing wrong in that department
@dj he said he had the cyp but his supplier ran ot so he bought test e.

Deadgoat wrote: This whole cruising/staying anabolic thing is getting out of hand, after your last test shot you aren't suddenly going to lose gains as your test levels will still be very high for the best part of 5 weeks so he's only really have to worry about 3 weeks of having low T levels. Is running a low dose of test really worth shutting down your HPTA axis further for something a bit of winny and var can take care of?

Oi boet, so you would say 125mg for the last 3weeks of the cruise? Remember it doesn't kick in immediately... If you diet hard you would defiantly lose some muscle mass...

Its only test and winni, it shouldn't shut you down too hard

has anyone thought of the cortisol build that goes along with these long ass cycles and why gains seem to stop after a while??

jakes wrote: Oi boet, so you would say 125mg for the last 3weeks of the cruise? Remember it doesn't kick in immediately... If you diet hard you would defiantly lose some muscle mass...

Its only test and winni, it shouldn't shut you down too hard

That's not what I said or meant. Winny/var should keep him anabolic (you'll have to starve yourself pretty good to lose muscle on these 2 as they were designed for AIDS patients) throughout that 8 weeks and help cut water and fat. The low dose test is pointless

Gains slow down because your body needs time to adjust to the new weight, how would you explain gains that are great again after cruising then? One cruises on test (even if its a small dose) cortison levels should build up even further then?

I know that but what would 150mg test achieve that 50mg winstrol or 60mg Var can't? Keep in mind that I can smell a troll a mile away before you respond...

Lol ok I won't troll, damn don't spoil my fun!

Bud maybe the price? What does 5winni caps daily cost compared to 125mg test weekly? Also var takes like 4 or 6 weeks to even kick in properly.

I don't see the harm in that cycle

Because coming down in dose lowers corizol levels as well as time off, so that's why gains are so good after a cruise,I have run 6 month cycles,they are taxing on you,u don't carry on growing through out.time off is the best thing for the body. Your can use it or don't,not my issue if u don't.

The cycle above has 6 weeks "cruising". Isn't that sufficient?

jakes wrote: Lol ok I won't troll, damn don't spoil my fun!

Bud maybe the price? What does 5winni caps daily cost compared to 125mg test weekly? Also var takes like 4 or 6 weeks to even kick in properly.

I don't see the harm in that cycle

Cost isn't an issue looking at this guy's current cycle and T-levels only drop to catabolic levels after 5 weeks so it doesn't matter that the var will take a while to work and he's already planning to purchase winny for the entire 8 weeks.

Deadgoat 85 - Jakes 0

This is getting too easy now

(inb4 DJ special olympics joke)

I don't want to argue with you... I'm scared that a certain girl will kick me in the groin. :lol:

Bro, one loses "steroid" muscle fast. Even if he only loses 1g of muscle in that week, why take the risk? 0.5ml of test is so cheap anyway....

:lol: knew I'd regret posting that and won't even bother to bite at that 2nd paragraph *smh*