Cycle Questions

Hey gents

Cycle:

2x PGW Testocyp (250mg x 10ml)
1x Arimidex


PCT:

1x LP HCG 5000iu
1x LP Clomid (50mg x 15)
1x LP Nolvadex (20mg x 30)

I showed the above to a connection of mine and was told that those are way too many PCT products for this cycle.
Apparently not a lot of people use Arimidex because its so expensive and that it will limit gains as estrogen is necessary for gains during a cycle. I'm also told that on a Testcyp cycle like this I'll be ok with just the Clomid and Nolvadex. HCG is not that necessary. At the very least I should leave out the Arimidex.

Thoughts on the above?

Also, before doing a cycle, should one be in a certain BF% range? I don't know my BF% but I've picked up weight recently and would say that I'm between 15-17%.

Thanks

Hows about u do 40mg of dianabol or turinabol per day for the first 4 weeks of ur cycle? Its a good kick start for the cycle.

If u prone to gyno then take the adex but if not then keep it on hand for just in case. It is not as hectic on the system as say letro. Adex is more expensive but its worth it. Letro gives u dry joints, lowers ur sex drive..so adex will probably be worth it.

For PCT all u need is clomid and nolva, but if u feel u need to run HCG u may. A few people still run HCG as well in their PCT when running a only test cycle.

Hows ur diet looking?

SNOK1986 wrote: Hows about u do 40mg of dianabol or turinabol per day for the first 4 weeks of ur cycle? Its a good kick start for the cycle.

If u prone to gyno then take the adex but if not then keep it on hand for just in case. It is not as hectic on the system as say letro. Adex is more expensive but its worth it. Letro gives u dry joints, lowers ur sex drive..so adex will probably be worth it.

For PCT all u need is clomid and nolva, but if u feel u need to run HCG u may. A few people still run HCG as well in their PCT when running a only test cycle.

Hows ur diet looking?

I was originally going to do the dianabol kickstart as shown in the sample cycle section, but coughin' up with cash for a cycle right now is already proving difficult. I'm just trying to keep the necessities to save cash but at the same time be as safe as possible.

I have no idea if I'm prone to gyno as this cycle, if I ever get to frikin do it, would be my first. I would like to have something on hand just in case but Arimidex costs more than the test even! It really took the price from the "ok! I can do that... " range into the "I wonder how much could I get for that guitar?" range.
Does the Arimidex decrease potential gains on a cycle?

Ey Cheese

In that case rather get Letro seeing as its ur first cycle and u not sure if ur prone to gyno. Just keep it on hand and if signs of gyno appear then hit it. Its much cheaper that way and makes more sense for a first cycle in your case. U also aren't running anything that shuts you down much and the Test will make u one horny little bastard so IF u do end up using the letro it shouldn't kill ur sexdrive too much. But yeah its hard on the immune system and joints.

I agree with Snokker though. Try and get some dbol. It will be worth it in the long run. Its ur first cycle and a person gets amazing results first time round so try and do a cycle properly. Dbol should work you out roughly the same price as the cyp just a lil less. Dbol is relatively inexpensive.

Hope this helps. As for the HCG I'd keep it in but that's a personal preference

I would rather wait a bit longe save a few bucks over a month or 2 or 3 , run dbol adex and hcg, that my personal opinion, your first cycle you wanna do properly.

I agree that you should not rush into it because it may be more expensive than you realise.

In addition to the gear, you should also budget for huge amounts of food, extra sups, liver support, arginine if your BP is an issue, check ups etc etc

And hopefully bigger shirts in a few months

Simply put if you dont have enough cash leave steriods.its a huge expense.food is atleast 2-5k depending on your size then add your whey and other stuff you use.then add your steroids.it costs a lot.so there is no cutting corners.

Lol who buys adex when on a tight budget? You got this stuff yet or are you still planning?

me , i waited 6 months longer to do a cycle to, use adex over letro

Michael wrote: me , i waited 6 months longer to do a cycle to, use adex over letro

6months? Wtf are you guys paid in peanut currency? You guys pay a shitload for your gear or work for checkers.

On the cycle you want to go the chances of you getting gyno is slim to nothing.just get letro chances are you wont even need it.

jakes wrote:

Michael wrote: me , i waited 6 months longer to do a cycle to, use adex over letro

6months? Wtf are you guys paid in peanut currency? You guys pay a shitload for your gear or work for checkers.

What's wrong with working for Checkers, Jakes? Not all of us are fortunate enough to be given a job by our dad

Lol, who the heck told you? :ohmy: If you want to work at checkers you can't juice. Use the money to buy your children food haha.

Eidolon wrote:

jakes wrote:

Michael wrote: me , i waited 6 months longer to do a cycle to, use adex over letro

6months? Wtf are you guys paid in peanut currency? You guys pay a shitload for your gear or work for checkers.

What's wrong with working for Checkers, Jakes? Not all of us are fortunate enough to be given a job by our dad

there is nothing wrong with it i just don't think you will be able to run cycles and buy the right food with that amount of money.if your financially unstable leave the roids.

jakes wrote: Lol, who the heck told you? :ohmy: If you want to work at checkers you can't juice. Use the money to buy your children food haha.

Hehe - you mentioned in one of your earlier threads that you were fortunate enough to have gotten a job from your old man. It also explains why you're able to take off on a Friday :lol:

Not everyone at Checkers man the tills or pack isles, as is the case with most other businesses. I'm sure there are people at your spot that also cannot afford to juice, but with a bit of dedication and sacrifice even someone on a basic income can afford a test cycle.

Lol, leave my daddy out of this :lol:

Dude, if you get paid 6000-8000 or whatever, how can you afford to spend 500 on gym, 3000+ on food, pay your car, pay gas, pay accomedation, buy water (if you stay in witbank) lol and still have money for clothes etc etc?

Life is expensive. The guys hitting the tills don't even make 2k. The only juice they should be able to take is guava or apple

Cheese wrote:

SNOK1986 wrote: Hows about u do 40mg of dianabol or turinabol per day for the first 4 weeks of ur cycle? Its a good kick start for the cycle.

If u prone to gyno then take the adex but if not then keep it on hand for just in case. It is not as hectic on the system as say letro. Adex is more expensive but its worth it. Letro gives u dry joints, lowers ur sex drive..so adex will probably be worth it.

For PCT all u need is clomid and nolva, but if u feel u need to run HCG u may. A few people still run HCG as well in their PCT when running a only test cycle.

Hows ur diet looking?

I was originally going to do the dianabol kickstart as shown in the sample cycle section, but coughin' up with cash for a cycle right now is already proving difficult. I'm just trying to keep the necessities to save cash but at the same time be as safe as possible.

I have no idea if I'm prone to gyno as this cycle, if I ever get to frikin do it, would be my first. I would like to have something on hand just in case but Arimidex costs more than the test even! It really took the price from the "ok! I can do that... " range into the "I wonder how much could I get for that guitar?" range.
Does the Arimidex decrease potential gains on a cycle?

hey bro.

seriously. if this is where you are, screw juice...for now. wait until you're more financially stable.

I put off my cycle for 3 years because of this as well as learning as much as I could about proper nutrition, training and my body.

there's always going to be unforseen expenses so for now, chill.

all the best

Agreed, probably not something you want to hear but I think you're rushing into something that you're not financially ready for bud. I would take that money, give it to DJ, to give you a diet. Once you have your diet waxed and you have some extra cash for gear, then do it. IMO, that Pct is lank cheap and would be the most important part of your cycle. Diet first, juice later. When you juicing you will have to consume a hek of a lot more food than usual.

Deadgoat wrote: Lol who buys adex when on a tight budget? You got this stuff yet or are you still planning?

Still planning. The quote I got on the arimidex nearly knocked me off my seat! If it wasn't for that, I could get the stuff now. In any case, I'll still be doing more research and asking more questions before I do any cycle.

Guys, thanks for the replies.

I'll just have to save some money over the month and go from there.

In the mean time I'll keep posting any questions I have in this thread.

jakes wrote: Dude, if you get paid 6000-8000 or whatever, how can you afford to spend 500 on gym, 3000+ on food, pay your car, pay gas, pay accomedation, buy water (if you stay in witbank) lol and still have money for clothes etc etc?

I don't know whether to be slapped in the face, or complimented...
I do just what is stated above, my income is 6000 - 10000 depending on grants, bursaries, etc for the year, and with this I pay accommodation, virgin membership, food, gas, and gear...
It's not easy but I get by. One day I'll be able to afford luxuries... I hope :S



Cheese, Listen bro, when you are starting out an AI like A-dex or letro is important to have on hand, but you don't start it (unless you already have fatty gyno - in which case you need to lose some first). The first cycle is your most important, yes it’s your best gains, but this is also when you learn your body. There will be many more cycles to come, trust me…
200mg - 500mg a week of test only for 10 - 16 weeks is fine for a first cycle. Doses are not so high, so only people with real problems will have sides. If you experience gyno or severe shedding on this dose you will need to get an AI or 5-AR inhibitor for your next cycle. It will mean you are quite sensitive as the only sides you should be getting is acne, bp, lipids, etc… You will have the AI and tamoxifen on hand for if the signs show. In answer to your bf% this is the reason you may want to drop it a bit first: You will not detect gyno early unless you have a low bf.
If the cycle is closer to the 250mg dose, and less than 12 weeks, then you can get away with the clomiphene and tamoxifen only. Me, I like a little HCG in there as well regardless.

Your next cycle you will also have the AI (and tamoxifen) and the 5-AR on hand, but you will double the dose of test and add in the kick starter (like TProp or Tbol). Because you know when your first cycle kicked in you will know how long to run the kicker, and you will be able to tell the difference in effect from test. If you are having no sides on this second cycle, you are like the vast majority with good tolerance for test.

Your third cycle will be the one when you start to add in other compounds like Deca or EQ.