New cycle

Hi Guys been off gym for nearly 6 months. Had personal issues I had to sort out but all that shit is behind me now. Since I have been off my weight has not dropped all that much I was 103kgs before I went off I am now 100kgs. I can see I have lost muscle and gained some fat while I have been off hence my weight has not dropped all that much. My diet since been off has been totally shit eating what ever. Started again the other day forgot what it was like to be all stiff lol. Anyway my idea is as follows and I would like some ideas back. Going to carry on training for the next 2 months and throw in some clen and eca stacks to loose some of this extra fat I have gained. Then I want to do a little 10 week cycle to help get me back to were I was before I left. The stack I am thinking of doing looks like this:

Dbol 40mg p/d week 1 to 4
test prop 450mg p/w week 1 to 2
test enanthate or cypionate 1000mg p/w depending on what I can get week 1 to 10
proviron 50mg p/d week 1 to 10
Deca 300mg p/w week 1 to 10
Might swop the deca for equi.

pct will be the normal hcg,clomid and nolva

Any advise here would be great

My diet is in check will use what I was using before I left gym. Got it done for me by a top personal trainer casper who competes in the ifbb and is pictured in the muscle evolution often. It is a carb cycling diet.

Hey bud , is there any reason for the test prop for week 1-2 , as you are already frontloading with the dbol

I would go for the prop for frontloading.less water.

Have you used Deca before? Are you planning to use Dostinex or Parlodel on cycle? I would include Aromasin in PCT and also opt for Ovidrel rather than Pregnyl...

Good luck..

I wouldn't train for two months before cycle. I'd train till I hot my body fat where I wanted it, then cycle. The Levrone effect will help put some muscle back in this time. I would aim to go past where I was, not to return there. Other than that I'd probably only run one kicker, drop the other and run the cycle a couple weeks longer.

Good luck.
I had two years of no gym. 1500 calories a day of absolute shit. And maybe four hours sleep a night.

Why not go with
test cyp 1000mg per week for 12 weeks
Kick start with prop for 4 weeks @ 300mg a week
Npp from week 5 to week14.@300mg a week.
Bridge the last 15days with winny @ 50mg a day.

Some adex or letro for sides

Pct
Clomid
Nolva
Hcg

Joh...Thats sounds like a good plan actually, If your prone to gyno do and your taking something like letrozole on cycle, would you advise the the use of a anti prolactin drug while on NPP ?

VonD wrote: Why not go with
test cyp 1000mg per week for 12 weeks
Kick start with prop for 4 weeks @ 300mg a week
Npp from week 5 to week14.@300mg a week.
Bridge the last 15days with winny @ 50mg a day.

Some adex or letro for sides

Pct
Clomid
Nolva
Hcg

i wouldnt do the npp form week 5-14,rather week 1-10,so that you arent running the npp with out test(i know there is alot left in the system but i just wouldnt) a 1000mg of cyp per week i wouldnt front load it with test prop,i would save that for the end whilst waiting for the esters to clear...i would still front load with an oral on this.

Why not lower the test dose to 600mg, run 240mg tren ace with that and add 400mg primo. Will be expensive but its a nice cycle

1-14:600mg test e, 400mg primo
4-14:80mg tren ace eod

@jakes: What would the difference be in gains? I guess more lean mass?

Gains would be better. With how much I can't say but 20% or so more. Plus you'll get much less water

500UI is how many units on the insulin needle?

20units

Thanks guys for all the feedback. at Sleon the reason for adding in some dbols is my mate has some left over from his cycle and has given them to me. The little pink ones from british dispensary so I figured if I have them I might as well use them. Was looking at adding in some test prop @450mg p/w for 2 weeks to give me a really good kick start and I would only need 1 bottle at this dose for 2 weeks. I have taking deca before but this was years ago the organon 100mg type @ 300mg p/w got decent results on that. Never tried npp from what I understand it is a faster acting version of deca? I like vond @ dj version on what I should do. Think I am going to do something like that. @ Inja what in the levrone effect I take it were talking about kevin levrone? Thanks guys

Yeah just one of my personal colloquials for muscle memory

1000mg test cyp 10weeks
40mg dbol to frontload week1-4
300mg npp week 1-10
Use prop while long ester clears.

Its cheaper than jakes cycle.

Inja wrote: Yeah just one of my personal colloquials for muscle memory

hahaha so you followed that as well?

thanks vond yeah bucks are always a factor to consider unless your name is ****** who was left millions of pounds

it takes planning bro keep all the bases covered.

Hi Guys ok so I have looked at all your advise and I will be doing the following:

1000mg test c or test e 12 weeks
40mg dbol to frontload week 1-4
375mg npp week 3-10
Proviron 50mg week 3-14. I thought to do it from week 3 onwards as test c or e take at least 2 weeks to get released into system.
test prop 450mg per week, week 13-14
week 15 start pct

depending on bucks might want to add in some winny at the end here somewere what do you all reckon?

getting big wrote: Hi Guys ok so I have looked at all your advise and I will be doing the following:

1000mg test c or test e 12 weeks
40mg dbol to frontload week 1-4
375mg npp week 3-10
Proviron 50mg week 3-14. I thought to do it from week 3 onwards as test c or e take at least 2 weeks to get released into system.
test prop 450mg per week, week 13-14
week 15 start pct

depending on bucks might want to add in some winny at the end here somewere what do you all reckon?

A gram of test, bit much I think

1000mg of test is not really that much for a novice. I have done a couple of cycles in the past it is a fair amount but not over the top

AAS wrote: A gram of test, bit much I think

Why?

Eidolon wrote:

AAS wrote: A gram of test, bit much I think

Why?

www.anabolicsteroids.co.za/articles/info...steroid-cycle-basics , the article stats a dosage range of 300-700, granted those articles are more for beginners. How much test a week do you normally run/have had experience on?

I'm currently on 600mg per week, but will probably increase it to 1g for my next cycle.